John Lydon praises the Manics

[Mr Richey]

Originally Posted by Hunter

I think it had far more to do with Sire (as well as the dysfunction of the band itself) than it ever had to do with the Sex Pistols.

In the long run? Absolutely. But the evidence is there to prove that around that particular time the Sex Pistols had a detrimental effect on the success of the Ramones.

EDIT: I apologise for having completely derailed this thread.

[Alan Noir]

I think the Ramones did ok in the long run. It's not like they never played 3 chord punk songs ever again now is it?

[MarilynRoxie]

Originally Posted by MDWill

HA HA HA did he really do butter ads? That's awesome. Like the Iggy Pop insurance posters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY

[grimlock]

On the subject of Lydon's bands, I only really liked PiL. Never liked the Sex Pistols.

[Mr.Selfdestruct]

Originally Posted by Mr Richey

The biggest crime the Sex Pistols ever committed wasn't making bad music, being unlikeable twats or even selling butter; it was giving the Americans a bad impression of punk music which led to Ramones records not being played on American radio, denying the Ramones the fame and praise they deserved.

I don't agree. If at the time, fans and people in the business i.e radio etc, were too stupid to distinguish between two very different sounding bands, that's hardly The Pistols fault.

[mr bowlase]

Originally Posted by Mr Richey

The biggest crime the Sex Pistols ever committed wasn't making bad music, being unlikeable twats or even selling butter; it was giving the Americans a bad impression of punk music which led to Ramones records not being played on American radio, denying the Ramones the fame and praise they deserved.

since when has punk been about praise and fame? Surely it's more about being subversive and anti-establishment. If the Pistols really had that effect on American radio, then that in itself should be celebrated as an achievement! As for the Ramones, blaming another band for their lack of success seems a bit lame to me. It's like saying, I didn't do well at school because the class clown Pete used to talk to me during lessons, which made the teachers hate me.

Also look at all the bands that were inspired by the Pistols. Mr Edwards and the gang for one...

Originally Posted by Mr.Selfdestruct

I don't agree. If at the time, fans and people in the business i.e radio etc, were too stupid to distinguish between two very different sounding bands, that's hardly The Pistols fault.

Agreed. You can't blame them for being what they are: subversive and anti-establishment. That was there act. That's what they did best, even if you don't like the music...

[2004567]

Originally Posted by mr bowlase

since when has punk been about praise and fame? Surely it's more about being subversive and anti-establishment. If the Pistols really had that effect on American radio, then that in itself should be celebrated as an achievement! As for the Ramones, blaming another band for their lack of success seems a bit lame to me. It's like saying, I didn't do well at school because the class clown Pete used to talk to me during lessons, which made the teachers hate me.

Also look at all the bands that were inspired by the Pistols. Mr Edwards and the gang for one...



Agreed. You can't blame them for being what they are: subversive and anti-establishment. That was there act. That's what they did best, even if you didn't like the music...

Took the words from my mouth. +1000.

[Littlesue]

Originally Posted by mr bowlase

since when has punk been about praise and fame? Surely it's more about being subversive and anti-establishment. If the Pistols really had that effect on American radio, then that in itself should be celebrated as an achievement! As for the Ramones, blaming another band for their lack of success seems a bit lame to me. It's like saying, I didn't do well at school because the class clown Pete used to talk to me during lessons, which made the teachers hate me.

Also look at all the bands that were inspired by the Pistols. Mr Edwards and the gang for one...



Agreed. You can't blame them for being what they are: subversive and anti-establishment. That was there act. That's what they did best, even if you don't like the music...

Agrees with this, its like Boyzone blaming Take That for being more sucessful

[Chriss]

I love the Pistols and PiL and I'm sure the boys will be proud of themselves for gaining Lydon's praise.

[2004567]

A lot of bands would!

[Chriss]

Anyway, the Ramones already had 3 albums out by the time the Pistols got to America.

[MarilynRoxie]

I don't understand all this comparison between the Ramones and the Sex Pistols, I don't much care for either, honestly. They were both in the right place at the right time, "pioneers" certainly but exceptional musically? Er. Not my bag.
I love Public Image though.

[Inglorious]

If the Ramones had done anything as musically important or groundbreaking as PILs first three albums I think you'd have a point.
Instead Joey just sang anti-Reagan songs while voting for him.
Some of Dee Dees later songs were okay.
I was on the same plane as John recently. Alright bloke.

[Alan Noir]

Originally Posted by Inglorious

If the Ramones had done anything as musically important or groundbreaking as PILs first three albums I think you'd have a point.
Instead Joey just sang anti-Reagan songs while voting for him.
Some of Dee Dees later songs were okay.
I was on the same plane as John recently. Alright bloke.

Can you verify this? I can't find anything.

[Inglorious]

Originally Posted by Alan Noir

Can you verify this? I can't find anything.

Bonzo Goes To Bitburg is about him, of course.and all that SS Cemetery hoo-ha. Although I think Johnny wrote the lyrics. Come to think of it I think it was in Dee Dees autobiography about the hypocrisy of Johnny not Joey. My mistake.