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Old 20-04-2018, 10:17
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Haven't heard the tracks in full yet, just from the samples but Holding Patterns is quite nice on first listen, reminds me of Melancholyme with the stop/start thing.

Mirror Gaze has a bit of JCEQT about it, really like it! Even from the extract it should have made the album alongside A Soundtrack To Complete Withdrawal.
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Old 20-04-2018, 10:25
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I think the lyrics in the second booklet are so wrong ��
They really are!

Although I do think they have some words that will help deciphering the actual lyrics. It's a fun bonus game!
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Old 20-04-2018, 10:27
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Haven't heard the tracks in full yet, just from the samples but Holding Patterns is quite nice on first listen, reminds me of Melancholyme with the stop/start thing.

Mirror Gaze has a bit of JCEQT about it, really like it! Even from the extract it should have made the album alongside A Soundtrack To Complete Withdrawal.
I am borderline on A Soundtrack to Complete Withdrawl - I think it's worthy of being on the album but not at the expense of any other tracks... Maybe Holding Patterns too

But Mirror Gaze is just ... oh... Manics, what are you doing not putting that on the standard UK release??! Shaking my head!
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I am borderline on A Soundtrack to Complete Withdrawl - I think it's worthy of being on the album but not at the expense of any other tracks... Maybe Holding Patterns too

But Mirror Gaze is just ... oh... Manics, what are you doing not putting that on the standard UK release??! Shaking my head!
Damn, if Mirror Gaze is THAT good then I can't wait to hear it! From the extract Holding Patterns sounded like a decent PFAYM/RTF era b-side but nothing more.
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Old 20-04-2018, 10:42
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Damn, if Mirror Gaze is THAT good then I can't wait to hear it! From the extract Holding Patterns sounded like a decent PFAYM/RTF era b-side but nothing more.
I shouldn't build it up, sorry. From the clip, the slow bit you hear after the intro is the weakest bit (which forms the verses) IMHO, sounds a bit b-sidey, but then it explodes back into the awesomeness of the intro music. Later on it has a quiet almost acoustic bit before the chorus returns again. It sounds weird to say you have basically heard most of it (musically) from the clip, minus the solo, but you kind of have. Edit: I guess the bridge to the chorus isn't in the clip either, which is also fantastic, sounds like it should be in Rocky or something

It does repeat some lyrics and I know that annoys some people, but still... really really good IMHO.

I'm sure some people will hate it still. lol.
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Old 20-04-2018, 11:09
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I shouldn't build it up, sorry. From the clip, the slow bit you hear after the intro is the weakest bit (which forms the verses) IMHO, sounds a bit b-sidey, but then it explodes back into the awesomeness of the intro music. Later on it has a quiet almost acoustic bit before the chorus returns again. It sounds weird to say you have basically heard most of it (musically) from the clip, minus the solo, but you kind of have. Edit: I guess the bridge to the chorus isn't in the clip either, which is also fantastic, sounds like it should be in Rocky or something

It does repeat some lyrics and I know that annoys some people, but still... really really good IMHO.

I'm sure some people will hate it still. lol.
You've really built it up now! Anything that sounds like it should be in Rocky gets a thumbs up from me.
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Old 20-04-2018, 11:13
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Put the lyrics up for Mirror Gaze in the RIF Lyrics thread...

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"I got the monkey sitting on my neck"

Chorus:
"Beyond all this
Oblivion runs
Beyond all this
There lies a place for us
Beyond my eyes
There is a mirror gaze"
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Old 20-04-2018, 11:15
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Put the lyrics up for Mirror Gaze in the RIF Lyrics thread...

Highlights:

"I got the monkey sitting on my neck"
And I thought "Can I tie your blindfold?" from A Soundtrack to Complete Withdrawal was a bad line!
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And I thought "Can I tie your blindfold?" from A Soundtrack to Complete Withdrawal was a bad line!
hah, I love it, but it is humorous, yes. lol.
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You can listen to the clips by scrolling down this page.

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Miller Gays???


I like the samples
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I wonder if Japanese translations of English are as frequently funny for the Japanese as theirs are for us? I hope so.
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How is the mix and master quality on Mirror Gaze? Is it a full quality album track like Soundstrack To Complete Withdrawal, or a b-sidey thing like Whatever Happened To The Blue Generation? Can't tell from the clip...

I hope it's full quality because the verse melody and beginning sample are so strong. I really want to replace In Eternity and Broken Algorithms with Soundtrack and Mirror. That would make RIF a real contender... but b-side mixing and masters, for me, mess up the tracklist if audio quality dips.
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Is it okay to put these tracks on YouTube? I've put a few vinyl only tracks on and they've not been taken down, but JDB Lost Again said it can't be played or something
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Put em up, put em up!!!

(I have no idea if they'll be taken down, probably, eventually, but I really need to hear those bad boys...

I'm gonna get banned ain't I? What's the sitch with youtube anyway. Most of the stuff there is some sort of grey area... loads of b-sides and rarities though...)
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How is the mix and master quality on Mirror Gaze? Is it a full quality album track like Soundstrack To Complete Withdrawal, or a b-sidey thing like Whatever Happened To The Blue Generation? Can't tell from the clip...

I hope it's full quality because the verse melody and beginning sample are so strong. I really want to replace In Eternity and Broken Algorithms with Soundtrack and Mirror. That would make RIF a real contender... but b-side mixing and masters, for me, mess up the tracklist if audio quality dips.
In terms of production specifically I'd say it sits comfortably between the unfinished feel of the demos and the polished nature of the more produced finished album tracks.

Sounds really great to me. Does this help at all? (waveform of my ALAC rip from the CD).



You can see the general shape... the quieter verses, it's not brickwalled. It sounds huge to me, but it's not overly complicated - a bit of proggy organ in places but mostly just (lovely) electric guitar and some acoustic bits, and some big layered vocals in the chorus. Generous echo/reverb.

If you like the clip, then yeah, it's that, without the compression mush and then some lovely layered/harmonised vocals in the chorus.

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Is it okay to put these tracks on YouTube? I've put a few vinyl only tracks on and they've not been taken down, but JDB Lost Again said it can't be played or something
I can't imagine it's "ok" in a legal sense at all, so couldn't recommend it, but people do seem to get away putting up all sorts, it's weird.

What do you think of the tracks? I'd love to see someone else's opinion of Mirror Gaze especially! I am going mad or is it really as amazing as I think it is?

I'm conscious of making too much of it and people deciding to spend the (ludicrous amount of) money to import it then be all like 'oh Porco you made me waste my money you utter... '!
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