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I agree with this too. I usually treat Nobody Loved You as the final track when I listen to the album. SYMM is, to me, the secret bonus track I never bother to listen to!
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I love SYMM. Some of JDB's finest guitar work, brilliant production, and most of the lyric is fine, I think that one duff line makes people too critical of the rest. And ultimately, the statement in the chorus was a support to the families and campaigners for justice for the families of Hillsborough. Removing it would be a completely different matter to a 3-minute straight forward rock song like Underdogs, I think.
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I love SYMM too. There is no "duff line" IMHO.
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I really dont understand why SYMM gets dumped on so much.
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Because there's no Nicky Wire track on the album for people to shit on? (If the Survivor results are anything to go by)
I think the song is gorgeous but maybe a bit sluggish which fits with the rest of the album.
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I like most of the tracks which Nick sings - indeed, some are among my favourites (As Holy As The Soil, The Left Behind, The Future Has Been Here 4-Ever, Dying Breeds, Ballad Of The Bangkok Novotel).
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The solo at the end of SYMM is my highlight of the album. It's a far from perfect song but I'd argue that at least it's interesting unlike some other tracks on the album that either never quite get going or far outstay their welcome
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Agree - Im not working, for instance is a song i wouldnt lose too much sleep over if it was dropped from the tracklisting.
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SYMM’s lyrics stick out less each time they put out a new batch of songs.
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I like the idea of a record standing as it was conceived. The beauty of reissues is you can have whatever you want - nothing stops us from reworking a track listing ourselves at any point. But particularly when these records have been with us for so long I don’t like the idea of changing them. I liked underdogs, and I liked it where it was on the album. Very interesting to see how the band feels about their last work though.
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I remember there was quite a bit of hype surrounding SYMM prior to its release. Someone definitely wrote into the NME and said they were looking forward to the track as it was going to be a return to The Holy Bible sound. Quite an assumption to make based on the original title.
So why shorten it from South Yorkshire Mass Murderer? I know some have suggested its for legal reasons, but who in particular would be able to sue? I think the real reason its an acronym though was the record label not wanting to scare off potential buyers as the Manics were so massive at the time and didn't want it printed on the back cover, plus for reasons of getting stocked in Tesco etc. Or have the band ever gone on the record to say why they shortened the title? Lyrically the song is a massive cop-out so why stop there, I guess... |
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As for changing the track listing in reissues, I don't think it really worked for Send Away the Tigers. I had read interviews well before the reissue where they had said that they wished they had replaced Underdogs with Welcome to the Dead Zone, so it was obviously something that had been nagging away at them. Can't recall them making those kind of comments about songs on other albums. Last edited by tomd2103; 25-06-2018 at 00:06. |
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