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Old 17-02-2017, 07:48
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Anyone got this yet? Ordered my copy, it's due to arrive tomorrow.
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Old 17-02-2017, 15:32
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Please let me know if this is worth getting, or just a cash in on physical release of wikipedia.
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Old 18-02-2017, 21:57
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I started reading this today. I'm astounded, but immensely thrilled, that this book even exits. An academic study on the lyrics, political background and themes etc of one of my favourite albums. And it's not even like it's a massively famous album, more of a cult album. The fact it has inspired this kind of book speaks volumes in my opinion.

I'm only three chapters in so far but I would wholeheartedly say this is definitely worth getting.
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Old 19-02-2017, 03:50
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Thank you, star!
If I get the chance, I might get my hands (and eyes) on it.
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Old 19-02-2017, 09:41
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Having read the first essay, I would definitely recommend this book, but only if you really like / are fascinating by The Holy Bible. It's not a book about the band really at all, it's about the themes of the songs themselves.

Just two things that I think are flaws - firstly there is no background at all, the first essay assumes an already intimate knowledge of the Manics and The Holy Bible. Secondly, and this is more something that irritates me but others might like, is the use of unquoted lyrics in the text. Knowing the album fairly well as I do, it jars, but for those who don't know it so well, they will miss it. For example "The album's blurring of totalitarianism and sadomasochism also blurs the line between atrocity and pornongraphy - in both cases, power produces desire and the results are shocking and transgressive."

I'm looking forward to the next chapter, about the books quotes by the band or the inspirations behind the album, being a teenager who made a Manics reading list, I am definitely the target audience.

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Old 19-02-2017, 18:32
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Yes, it's definitely only for people who know the album inside out and already love it. I actually quite liked the "unquoted" lyrics. I thought it was a nice touch, but would be totally lost on people who have never heard it.
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Old 20-02-2017, 00:03
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Probably a copyright thing.

(Simon Price has donated an intro. Just warning you)
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Old 20-02-2017, 09:03
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Okay, second essay, again very interesting but definitely assumes it is writing for fans with a significant level of prior knowledge (eg reference to Gillian Porter without explaining who she is). Also this essay is about Richey's influences, rather than the Manics as a whole, and I wonder how much it actually ignores Nicky's contribution to the lyrics.
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Old 20-02-2017, 13:19
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Okay, I've ordered a copy based on people's testamonys on here.
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Old 20-02-2017, 13:38
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Uh oh, hope you don't think it's a waste of money!
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Old 20-02-2017, 20:23
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Probably too late for you Jimi but you can read a few pages via Amazon - click on the paperback edition link. Although naturally if you're going to buy it y'should find a bricks and mortar bookshop or even better a library.

There's also an extract here - http://www.walesartsreview.org/triptych/

The extracts all draw from Rhian E Jones' chapters though I'm more intrigued by the more academic chapters
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Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.' (from Sea Fever - John Masefield)


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Old 21-02-2017, 02:51
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Okay, second essay, again very interesting but definitely assumes it is writing for fans with a significant level of prior knowledge (eg reference to Gillian Porter without explaining who she is). Also this essay is about Richey's influences, rather than the Manics as a whole, and I wonder how much it actually ignores Nicky's contribution to the lyrics.
I was wondering that as well. Have you read anymore?

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There's also an extract here - http://www.walesartsreview.org/triptych/

The extracts all draw from Rhian E Jones' chapters though I'm more intrigued by the more academic chapters
Thanks for that.
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Mine just came in the mail, really interested to get started reading; I'm reading a lot of academic work at the moment anyway (mostly art criticism or gender/sexuality theory related). Will post my thoughts when I've finished.
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Old 22-02-2017, 10:04
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Mine just came in the mail, really interested to get started reading; I'm reading a lot of academic work at the moment anyway (mostly art criticism or gender/sexuality theory related). Will post my thoughts when I've finished.
Don't.

Collate them into a book, get Simon Price to do the intro, stick it on AMazon and make some money!
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Old 22-02-2017, 17:37
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I've just noticed this very forum and member TheSilentMan are in the citations on page 252.
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