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The good thing is that we all feel the same way.
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"There is a pleasure in the pathless woods, There is a rapture on the lonely shore There is society, where none intrudes, By the deep sea, and music in its roar: I love not man the less, but Nature more," - Byron 'I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.' (from Sea Fever - John Masefield) "Hope is the thing with feathers That perches in the soul And sings the tune without the words And never stops at all" - Emily Dickinson |
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One reason why I would love more clarity on how the box was ‘addressed’. Again, not coming for Jo, sure she exists and honestly, glad she’s been able to live her life absolutely away from all this. We are not owed this information or anything. But considering what we have been told, I just... HAVE QUESTIONS. Was it very clearly ‘for Jo’ or did it say something else and they just thought it must mean her? If it was in any way ambiguous all the more reason for it to have ended up in more communal archiving. I am entirely just thinking aloud/speculating here, not trying to imply anything!
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Bit lazy if he didn't mail it himself, and it's like he left it there to be discovered as part of his "thing". Maybe he wanted everyone to know it existed and to ponder over it. She lived in Crouch end, this "friend of a friend": Lizz said... A friend of a friend went out with him for a while- they broke up and its thought he jumped off the famous "suicide bridge" in London, near Crouch End where she lived. All just rumour perhaps! Ah the manics ) |
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So basically the band are being accused of withholding information and even lying, whilst Jo not coming forth with the box is seen as "preferring to keep Richey’s memory for herself". Why am I not surprised....
Nonetheless, makes me think of Cardiff Afterlife. "And yet I kept my silence Your memory is still mine No I will not share them Acquaintance through denial For I witnessed splendour And evil that no-one saw And I felt kindness And vanity for sure" I truly have no words how bad and furious I feel for the boys in the middle of all this, for reasons so many of you have already stated. I just hope the book is pulled and - if it ever comes to that - SHR & co will be crushed in court. |
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I think they've gone on record as saying that they went over the box with a fine-toothed comb and couldn't make sense of it. Finally, they respected his wishes and passed it on to her. You're right though, perhaps someone closer to him should have kept it in case it jogged a memory or something. Quote:
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It'll be all lies, though. Richey wouldn't do that, would he? He was sensitive and a deep thinker and not at all selfish ever. |
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He had penpal things going on with fans, and it sounds like that's what he had with her most of the time. Sounds like he was into her a lot more than she was into him (if at all). Still, all these mystery women makes good copy, eh. In time he more than likely would've found someone he could have a relationship with. He was only in his 20s and really busy. Having mental issues doesn't exactly help either. I can imagine for a lonely lad that seeing his three best friends in strong relationships must've been difficult at times. Yeah, he was a complicated person. A bit off track, but sometimes I wonder what people would make of me if I went AWOL and they went through all my stuff. You can write your own myth based on it all. My myth is a LOT more interesting than the real deal. |
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I too am glad she's never spoken publicly. She would only end up being blamed for his vanishing. People have a habit of blaming women for such things, especially if it's because they rejected the man's sexual advances. "If only she'd given him a chance..." blah, blah blah. It makes me sick. But I digress. |
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Yep, twas I, none of the timeline makes sense at all. In the latest SHR interview she says Richey had 'broken up with his girlfriend a couple of months ago' when he went missing. So there's even less time for any relationship to have happened, like practically none. It's all accounted for/overlaps/contradicts itself. I'm not saying it was nothing, of course, but from these interviews it seems the book is just writing its own plot. Quote:
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It's a bit weird that Jo was meant to be around for awhile but no fans know anything about her really, I get she might have kept away from them/Richey might have kept her away, but there being next to no knowledge of anything about her at all is intense, especially if we're meant to buy that there was any kind of 'relationship'. Purely with him being busy with band stuff so much, for that to be the case you'd think she'd have had to be around the vicinity of other people following the band at some points. Or even if they were just out in Cardiff or something, never bumping into anyone or whatever seems unlikely. I dunno. 24 years ago, private shizness, etc. Right?! You have to wonder what kind of idea people might piece together of your life from your posessions and the things you've said. It's so hard to really know someone's overall intentions or world-view no matter how well you know them as a person. Quote:
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Very much to her credit, and very respectful to everyone else involved too. Perhaps the letters she gave are ones of little consequence, you know, just to give them *something*. This is another of the reasons why I wonder. It seems so odd to leave just one thing behind for one person, of all the people. Was some of it meant to be passed, on and he thought she'd realise that but didn't? Was it, as has already been said, just an intentional red herring to make everyone wtf? No idea, again, not implying, just typing as I think really... so many questions.
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I think I’m terms of a relationship, he seemed to live too much in his head for that. James once said that he was too much of a romantic...he thought life would be like it was in the books he read, but it obviously wasn’t. I think he just wanted perfection in a partner, but no one’s perfect and so he never found the right person as a result. Maybe, if he’s somehow still out there, he chilled on that a bit. I hope so. Haha! Don’t go missing now! Quote:
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I've been rewatching a few documentaries as I've totally gone under full Manics spell with all this happening, and there's a few things worth re-mentioning from the Close Up one.
Nicky says 'we grew up together', talks about living down the road from Richey, their streets playing football against each other, calling him Teddy Edwards because he was 'this cuddly little fella'. SOUNDS PRETTY FRIENDLY. Like, we know this. We all know this. I can't believe we're having to defend it, but here we are. James also talks about 'wondering, when we were 18/19, what are we doing, four lads still holed up in our room like this?' 18/19. STILL holed up. FOUR lads. Nicky saying they all bought into 'outsider chic' to begin with, but the rest of them grew out of it, while 'Richey just didn't have enough outside the band'. Again, I know we know this. Just repeating... for those... at the back. Several very helpful insights from Terri Hall. This is where the 'Richey how are you going to get married, you don't have a girlfriend!' thing comes from. She attributed it to looking at her and Philip, and Graham and Sherry, and says he said he'd be married 'by the end of the year'. Which year? '93 or '94 surely. If the proposal thing is legit, there you have it. Super romance. She also said she didn't think Nicky would want to carry on after Richey went missing, that he was the closest to Richey. I think. She. Would know. And she said 'Richey didn't know how to live and be happy' so he'd try to model it, and that being in the band was making him unwell but he couldn't bear the alternative. Sean and Nicky both speak of the horror of seeing Richey in hospital and feeling they had to get him out of there - 'you're not going to get better here'. If that's what's meant by 'making him leave early to go on tour', then sure, honey, sure. Nicky talks about their last rehearsals being a really lovely, happy time, and said that Richey was 'very cuddly', which killed me all over again. He also speaks about a Japanese promoter talking about 'losing honour' when they cancelled a tour - 'I don't care about your honour, we're not going to do a tour when our best mate's missing.' OUR BEST MATE. He also speaks of going straight to Richey's flat and just waiting outside for him as soon as he heard he was missing, and being in ‘constant contact’ with Richey’s parents in the months that followed. He says the band have it easy in comparison to Richey’s family. Sean says Richey had left everything behind in his flat, 'just taken off in what he was wearing'. Apologies for a long post of paraphrasing from a documentary anyone can go and watch on Youtube and we've all probably seen numerous times, but a) some of this is worth bringing up again with all our pondering, and b) this is just from one documentary, from 1998, and it all flies in the face of what this book is pushing. Over and over they prove this shit wrong, with utter tenderness and honesty. I fucking love this band. EDIT: Shadows and Words, Nicky says he’d had Richey’s lyrics in a bedroom cupboard since they were given to him (at the last rehearsals with the little gifts and things, as mentioned in the Close Up doc), and that James and Sean had facsimile copies. But SHR seems to think they nicked them from his flat or something. Stay tuned for more from Sofa Revisits!
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