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Old 05-12-2018, 17:53
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Seen that online before but never actually looked at the track list, interesting that it ends with Be Natural. It's my favourite song on the album and surely it must've been highly thought of by someone to even be part of a promo like that yet not highly thought of enough to be played live at all until these anniversary gigs.
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"Going into it, nobody thought that 'Tolerate' was going to be a single - people thought it was going to be a B-side, to be honest! One of the other tracks that they were doing on that session, 'Be Natural', was the one that everyone was excited about, and 'Tolerate' was just this thing that was knocking around."
Wouldn't be the first or last time they all changed their minds on how much they liked a song!
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Old 05-12-2018, 19:36
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Over the years, I’ve seen that “Born A Girl” is often maligned by fans, but it has always struck a very deep chord with me. I don’t know what that may or may not say about me but...yeah, a lot of raw emotions tied up in that song.
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Wouldn't be the first or last time they all changed their minds on how much they liked a song!
I did read somewhere about Be Natural being a single contender but couldn't remember where. To be fair, SYMM could've probably got to number one at the time too. Gutting that in the space of 7 or 8 months, a song they'd been so excited about slipped so far down the pecking order to never be played. Can't wait to see it next year..
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:24
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Over the years, I’ve seen that “Born A Girl” is often maligned by fans, but it has always struck a very deep chord with me. I don’t know what that may or may not say about me but...yeah, a lot of raw emotions tied up in that song.
What? Born A Gril was trashed by fans? How? Who? Probably the guys with a fragile masculinity, or something. My (female) friends and my sister all agree it's a good song. ♥
It takes courage to write and sing a song like that, really.
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Old 07-12-2018, 23:49
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To be fair the lyrics

The censorship of my skin
Is screaming inside and from within
There's no room in this world for a girl like me
No place around there where I fit in

could be written both by and for a girl as much as by and for a man

It's not easy being born a girl
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Old 08-12-2018, 03:33
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I still see no problem in these lyrics, sorry.
All I see here is a person struggling with the pressure to conform to social norms and stereotypes.

Doesn't suggest girls have it easier either.
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Old 08-12-2018, 13:07
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What? Born A Gril was trashed by fans? How? Who? Probably the guys with a fragile masculinity, or something. My (female) friends and my sister all agree it's a good song. ♥
It takes courage to write and sing a song like that, really.
I agree with you and Richey, I think it’s a lovely, emotionally intelligent and very heartfelt song, even though I wouldn’t rank it all that highly on TIMTTMY, but I love most songs on that album so it’s no major criticism. I often think it’s a grown-up cousin to Life Becoming A Landslide in a few ways, they are interesting songs to contrast and compare, even beyond the obvious “I don’t want to be a man” lyric of the GATS track... they both have themes of identity, masculinity, wrapped up in a longing or desire for something to be that which it is not, and yet from different perspectives (i.e. looking forward in trepidation vs looking back wistfully).

But enough sensible analysis, because I really replied because I love your typo (“Born A Gril”)! Sounds like a song for George Foreman or something...

#... I wish I had been born a grill / And not this messy old pan...

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Old 08-12-2018, 22:25
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Ahahahahah
Born a Grill ♥
Didn't notice, thanks for pointing out. Thought I wanted to edit my original forum reply, but I guess, at this point, it's better to leave it as it is.
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Old 08-12-2018, 23:26
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I was expressing an opinion not a problem


and I always read Life Becoming a Landslide ... 'I don't want to be a man' as a desire to remain a child and never grow up with so much corrupted

My invite to the barbecue in the post then?
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Old 08-12-2018, 23:42
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and I always read Life Becoming a Landslide ... 'I don't want to be a man' as a desire to remain a child and never grow up with so much corrupted

My invite to the barbecue in the post then?
Heheh, yes, I always read it that way too, but that’s why I think they’re interesting songs to compare - in LBAL it’s a desire not to grow into an adult male, in BAG it’s a desire to have been born female in the first place, but you could read it as (in both instances) essentially not wanting to be a man (adult male) specifically, whether it’s as a rejection of masculinity or adulthood - just from two quite different perspectives at different points in the band’s career.

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Thought I wanted to edit my original forum reply, but I guess, at this point, it's better to leave it as it is.
Yay!
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