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I guess the point is that a 'dumb cunt' would believe them- if you ask a dumb question ('virgin?') expect a dumb answer ('yes')! |
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See why that line is so brilliant? It works on SO many levels!!
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It is I think as Guernica says, the pimp's response. But I wouldn't say the song was about prostitutes or it is but metaphorically, if that's the word, everything's for sale and anything and anyone can be whatever you want them to be for a price until we're all reduced ultimately, driven by desire for power or reduced to nothing, desireless but empty, not happy.
I'm wandering off course now, for the 'she' in she is suffering is desire or beauty/desire and the Buddhist philosophy is erm basically speaking that if you rid yourself of desire you can find ultimate happiness, nirvana. I could be going off track, it's late and my mind wanders about.
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I'd temporarily forgotten how much I love poring over Manics lyrics and reading other people's ideas. Good thread!
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To me this song is about not feeling like you have a voice or control of your life and that pain is a vicious cycle whether you're giving it to yourself or to others, it's a violent metaphore, not just a "sexual" one. But that's in general, I can say that line is hardly my favourite, because it comes off as cheap and tacky I guess, I haven't given it a second thought since I've heard it. Don't know what he'd meant though, I'm only speaking for myself. I only get the "honey" part, because I want to believe he'd used that word a lot. Last edited by Slideling; 03-02-2006 at 12:13. |
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Didn't that actual quote come from a conversation Richey had with Caffy St Luce (?)
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"Self disgust is self-obsession, honey"-?
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Or did he mean that metaphorically everybody's been fucked by somebody?
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Having visited Auschwitz I guess that would kinda summarise the metaphorical side of the quote. In the sense there is nothing pure in this world and the hideous concept being "ethnic cleansing" I wouldn't call it cleansing that's for sure. The way at uni .. people behaved around him. The gigantic sperm thing Maybe he felt let down by Nick when he got married .. later on .. who knows?
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We're all invisible, to ourselves, to others, some seeking power over and pleasure from others who have neither and are made incapable of ever experiencing either. Not one to listen to after a bad day.
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[It was my first association, don't take me seriously, I can't care less. ] |
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