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Old 13-02-2020, 22:05
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YES and Phillip Schofield?

Are there any parallels between the suppressed Phillip Schofield scandal and Yes? Given the national-treasure portraying a wholesome life and living a double-life?

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Old 13-02-2020, 22:18
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I can sing "Schofield" over "Forrr sale" but that's about all I got. Would have to think about it. I already thought he had came out years ago. I know there was a sketch in Extras (Which I never saw or bothered with) but I remember it was on the news less than a decade ago?
Oh well.
Can you explain more how you think Yes parallels with Schofield?
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Old 13-02-2020, 22:44
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I'm thinking more along the lines that the entertainment industry, of which many of us have been a part of over the years, portraying one narrative yet the reality being quite the opposite. Maybe REVOL would have been a more obvious connection. But YES with it's lines of obvious contradictions of external representation were pertinent.

For me it's the whole West-End (and Sony Music and it's soho-square centric existence) clubbing together to present a false-narrative culminating in YES. But why is Yes a separate account to Revol, could they be seen to be covering similar ground

I have personal experience of how one's external perception is manipulated to convey an alternative narraiive. I think THB deals with this duplicity.

Am looking forward to being torn-apart by others! Love it.

(p.s. loving seeing Lamont on the telly; i remember inviting him to a party with some Russian ladies along from the embassy-hotel over a decade ago. I'm clearly not forming an argument here; that's obvious. I'm raising a question about duplicity! I would NEVER have asked Normal Lamont if he wanted to party without my exposure to the manics. I find this to be in the same vein as the police visiting mozzer when he lived in chelsea down the road)

Red Wine people. I'm raising a question! Don't be literal


The question is this! Is there a paralled between Yes and celebs living a double-life and concealing more questionable behaviour. Don't make this about the person asking the question.

I accept this is the age of dumbiing down where a podcast will say Steve Lamaqc was in "London" when Richey cut himself. But some of us will consider such details and not disregard them flippantly.

I'm talking about people and organisations portraying a nonsense alternative that isn't true; from the southbank to tottenham-court-road; in the same way many people know robbie isn't who he portrays himself.

The question is this; is YES about entertainment-industry lies? And subsequently corporate lies?

Can we admit Richey was interested in the duplicity of the portrayal of one's sexuality? Rumours and accounts were rife in the 90s soho-centric entertainment industry. Many of us will know this.

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Old 14-02-2020, 00:54
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That's an interesting read, and I would say certainly a valid one. Do I think it's the intended one? No.

As oblique and open to interpretation as a lot of Richey's lyrics are, I feel that the context surrounding the song, and the juxtaposition of the literal text to the figurative decoration - like the sound clips that open and close the song - only give way to one literal interpretation.

Having said that, there are of course parallels to be drawn between the literal act of selling oneself, and the situation Richey may have felt he was in. I think many entertainers or artists would also feel this way.

So I do think that's a cool reading of the song. I just don't think it would have been involved in the thrust of writing it. But that's just my impression of it. It's a weighty lyric with plenty of interpretation that can be levelled towards it.
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Old 14-02-2020, 00:59
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I accept this is the age of dumbiing down where a podcast will say Steve Lamaqc was in "London" when Richey cut himself. But some of us will consider such details and not disregard them flippantly.
Also, sorry about that. I work from hastily written notes and miss-spoke. A lot of information to get through, isnt there? Especially in the early days! I picked it up when editing and thought "wasn't it Norwich Arts Centre?" but I didnt think it justified an edit - the story is much more than a sum of its details, I think.
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Taxexile, am I reading your post incorrectly or are you seriously suggesting that being gay is ‘questionable behaviour’?
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In the context I can now see the chorus being responses to an interviewers questions rather than being from one person's perspective (the singer).
Like the one line responses from magazine questions. Other than that buggered as to know what's going on about!
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Old 15-02-2020, 01:33
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Does Yes have any parallels to the news about Phillip Schofield?

No

Schofield wasn't covering up an unwholesome life unless you mean covering what wider society or elements of considered to be wrong?

Yes is about prostitution in the broadest sense of the word. How everything and everyone is seen to have a price. And surely about depression in part a complete loss of self whilst still attempting to fit in to go through the motions but there's nothing really left of them. It's the point of view of a victim of abuse more than a need to put on an acceptable front.
Maybe as the band experienced some fame and attention they became more exposed to a world where everything is for sale and that played through but the lyrics run much deeper
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Old 15-02-2020, 20:43
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Wasnt there some bullshit about this in that awful withdrawn traces book?
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Wasnt there some bullshit about this in that awful withdrawn traces book?
From what I've heard about it, I desperately want to read that book.
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Old 16-02-2020, 08:07
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From what I've heard about it, I desperately want to read that book.
There are some interesting bits and pieces in there, particularly regarding the police investigation into the disappearence, but in general its pretty awful. Just full of insane speculation, and endless fawning over Richey. Not to mention the fact that it is extremely badly written.
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Are there any parallels between the suppressed Phillip Schofield scandal and Yes? Given the national-treasure portraying a wholesome life and living a double-life?

The Philip Schofield scandal? I'd heard he'd come out as gay, but I don't think that can be regarded as scandalous, even if he was married with kids. A lot of LGBTQ+ people were forced into leading double lives because of societal standards of the era in which they lived. Schofield would have been a young 'un just starting out at around the same time Thatcher brought in those anti-gay laws (similar to the ones Russia has now). It would have made it difficult for him as a children's TV presenter if his homosexuality had been public knowledge. The blame for this behaviour lies with law makers who sought to push innocent people into the margins, rather than with those forced to conceal who they really were.

And nah, I don't see any parallels between that and "Yes".

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