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I believe it was referring to themselves - starting out as rebels/outsiders and then becoming 'establishment' at the time of TIMT.
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Of course.
For some reason I remember the music as 'oh' though. (Specifically the vowel sound in 'cot', so not really 'oh' either.) It made sense at the time.
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I tried to quote ata but the quote within the quote got lost..! It's from The Rebel which I found his hardest to get into (The Plague is my favourite - fantastic) but that aside sure the quote is surely just a reference to how rebellion can soon be corrupted, power corrupts and the right and just reasons behind the rebellion can get lost once the oppressor is defeated I guess the 'great fear' during the French Revolution would be an example. Or the atrocities in the name of communism He was an incredibly humane writer and one for whom the end certainly did not justify any means whatever in order to get there even if for the supposed greater good. Life is absurd essentially but he gives you hope when trying to work your way through it. Comparing his words to the Daily Mail.....absurd indeed
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Read The Plague ages ago but never read The Rebel. Aye, sensible way of looking at it but don't think my way of looking at it is particularly farfetched though, especially today. Maybe there were equivalents to things like "do-gooder" and "virtue signaller" being used as derogatory terms back in the day, maybe people were as keen to regard victims with suspicion and make excuses for perpetrators as they are now. Who knows..
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And to your point - sure it's the classic sign of a bully to blame the victim...it's probably one of the main reasons people don't speak up about rape and assault, about being bullied and why inequality is still with us.....that attitude of it being your fault if you're not getting on in life...it's classic...turn it round - 'look what you made me do', the bully was once the victim....that's psychology, that's mind games on a personal level and preventing rebellion on the political
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Camus Debates! that's what we need from a Manics forum.
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Montana/Autumn/78 and Prologue To History really are two of the best songs they've ever done, and the essence of everything they are.
The very definition of 'in retrospect we wish we'd put it on the album'. They could have been world-conquering singles! Well, maybe not Prologue, because it was the most full-on packed fusillade of lyrics since PCP.
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Has that theloveof Manics discography site died a death now? Had a quick search on here and only found a couple of comments about it and not having much joy on google. Loved that site.
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Does anyone have the sales figures (approximate will do) for RTF and Futurology? Not been able to find them.
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On the official chart history site it says only EMG, KYE, SATT and Futurology reached no 2 in the charts and TIMTTMY no 1. Though I never noticed the chart positions, or if they are accurate? I'm surprised the other albums were not placed higher.
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According to Music Week, Rewind The Film sold 59,311 and Futurology 49,826.
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Brilliant. Thank you! What territories do these sales cover?
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How many MSP albums have had track 2 as lead single?
Off the top of my head... GATS EMG TIMT LB SATT RIF Any others?
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