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Old 28-02-2019, 09:47
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Nicky's mentioned the likely link with 'The Entertainer' hasn't he? A film Richey loved and when you read the full piece it certainly reads like a tale from an old music hall hasbeen along with a few music hall lines.....Wish me luck as you wave me goodbyyyye', Goodnight sweetheart.... Hell, maybe Richey would be seeing some fine old justice in Resistance is Futile held off the top spot by The Greatest Showman, ha
Still, could be read as analogy. A farewell of a kind. He left it with them I reckon Nicky has earned license to draw out a song as a tribute/a goodbye from a friend...let him take what he will. I personally feel like it comes over as a suicide note in the rewriting but appreciate that's refuted.
I can see it may cause upset but as has been noted the band did produce the piece in it's entirety so the song is Nicky's version of a piece left to him and not an attempt to misrepresent Richey's work....not that I'm saying that be what you're saying but maybe what his sister feels...
That's fair enough. It's the only lyric on the album that feels coloured by Richey's disappearance. I don't believe Nicky wanted to misrepresent Richey's words here, but perhaps (understandably) emotion seeped into the writing. I think anyone who has lost someone to suicide would understand searching through their words for hidden meanings and subtext. Obviously the original text practically invites one to make these links to what came after. Especially when Richey left nothing behind for the band or his family. I honestly can't imagine how much pain that facet has caused.
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Old 28-02-2019, 22:52
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She does, and she and Jo - at least Jo in the 90s - seem to identify as a club of The Wronged who have been pushed out and snubbed by the band (Iím barely paraphrasing here, this is not me being snide). Again, I get their grief, their feelings. But Rachel is not the bandís sister. Jo was not their friend. I am sure the band were polite and compassionate in interactions with either of them, but I have no idea what they want. Itís another case of the band being unable to win. Should they have pulled Jo and Rachel into the spotlight with them? That would have been bizarre and arguably cruel. The band canít give Rachel the closeness she didnít have, and shouldnít be lambasted for having had it themselves.

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Certainly her anger is entirely understandable but that doesnít make it right. Same with the need to blame someone etc, itís all obviously grief and the need for answers, but that doesnít mean itís acceptable to take innocent, also-grieving parties down for it. Rachel wants, as anyone in her position would, what she heartbreakingly canít have: answers. An ending. But taking shots at others wonít give her that. Everyone has suffered more than enough already in this story. Itís beyond sad that yet more unnecessary hurt is being caused.

I think the Times article and others are correct in their observation in that the reason no-one can make sense of Richeyís story is because it doesnít make sense. You canít force it to because you need it, alas. The only person with answers and explanations is him, and honestly I donít think he knew/would know looking back wtf was going on himself half the time, such was his state....

ĎScrap the book and pick up the phoneí - nail on head. SHR has no clue what sheís doing except when it came to weedling her way into this position. She doesnít know Richey, she doesnít know the band - I mean these as even on the level we do, not KNOW know, despite her access to Richeyís... freaking EVERYTHING, seemingly - she doesnít know how to sodding write. She has no credentials except her creepery. Itís repugnant. The more I go over the book, the more I think on it, the stronger my reaction.

The reason I said earlier that ĎJo in the 90sí seemed to think a thing is because having considered that she refused to be part of the project proper, and her latest letter quoted is from 1998, itís very possible Jo no longer feels the way she did/is portrayed to in the book. As such it seems further questionable that she is treated as infallible therein. She comes across a certain way - definitely not the one intended - which she may well not be happy with as an older woman now. I wonder if she could be a party that has a problem with it
I feel we're getting a second hand perspective of Jo from the book, as it seems you do too? Recalled conversations from 20 years ago are always at risk of being stripped of context and she was only young. I feel if she's said no to being involved they should respect that and not rely too heavily on what she said many years ago or at least take more care with context.

I don't necessarily feel his sister's anger is justified but I can see why something like this leads to it, emotions are so intense....what I do agree is wrong is SHR walking in and taking it all as objective fact and thinking it's fine to (try) and print it all. They appear to be friends but that too just means objectivity has flown out the window and a good friend wouldn't have let her expose herself to this extent.

So far the book doesn't seem to be about Richey so much as about reclaiming him....but the only reason for the interest in a book is because he was in the band and all of his writings and work went into the band what's the point of trying to strip all that away. Of course he was more than that but that's never been disputed, He was more than just a self-harmer, it was frustrating that that took away the focus from the acute intelligence of his lyrics, from the sheer volume of knowledge he acquired, understood and could articulate and offer opinions on, a shame his humour was sometimes missed.....but the book seems in danger of ignoring all that too...all trace withdrawn indeed



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Nicky on Richey & religion, from the book: Ďheís always had this this thing about it. Iíve never really talked to him about it, but heís always made out that it really pissed him off and fucked him up.í Iíve always thought religion was one of the biggest, most obvious things Richey had a lasting fixation and struggle with, itís one of the many things that drew me to him. I went through Catholic schooling and ended up with the opposite feelings that you have, in my experience it fucks you up massively, on levels itís very hard for logic to reach and in ways itís equally difficult to shift. Honestly I think itís one of the things thatís most shaped me as a person, though itís not something I consider as A Feature Of Me or tend to go into all the time, if you get me. Blathering with all this because of Rachel saying Richey didnít Ďseemí bothered... she also says the minister they saw was Ďevangelical and over the topí, that Richey was very Ďagnostic and questioningí and Ďfor him it was far more complex than being a believer or an atheistí. If youíre that bothered that young... it doesnít bode well, as far as Iím concerned.

Youíre right to point out his hand-wringing with the 12 step stuff later on. I am struggling to face those pages properly, tbh. But anyway, Richeyís preoccupation with religion is there throughout his writing, imagery, everything - I think it may indeed be that Rachel takes umbrage with the idea that he was messed up by/about religion because the church has helped her so much. Which, if it has, good, Iím glad, but you canít rewrite your brother to suit that.
I know what you mean about religion...once a Catholic always a Catholic they say....I'd describe myself as agnostic as far as belief is concerned but with no time for the church...it does get under your skin. I went to a Catholic school. Church till I was 12 and then it became my choice. Choice was no. But it is hard to argue yourself into any position 100% so agnosticism seems to be the only place in many ways, the default, but if you need to feel definite well by definition that isn't feeling definite, if Richey needed to make sense and find the truth it was never going to help him was it. And you do need that maybe more when you're younger, I know I spent a long time thinking through it all. And the morality is completely corrupt and I can see how some people must feel completely isolated by it because as with so many 'groups' to belong there must be an 'us' and a 'them'....I hate that.....And the sexism. I could go on. Don't? No. I took to Camus' ideas on God though....and I came to Camus through this band so



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I am a big fan of Richey's lyrics but also his pretty accurate descriptions of some of his problems gathered from information provided by other's descriptions of said problems who don't know or even heard of Richey. I also know Richey was no saint. I feel like I can say that with a reasonable amount of certainty only knowing his age, maturity as stated by him and other members of the band.his profession, and the opportunities he had (travel, exposure to fans etc, and descriptions of those who were around him at the time). I have never fully believed many things Richey said about sex, groupies, prostitutes, wanking. I say this knowing that what we say and what we actually do does not always correspond. This has been proven time and again through empirical data published and disseminated in scientific journals. I have always thought the whole Thailand thing with the prostitute was a little sketchy. This is certainly my own opinion. I say this because of him cuddling up to the reporter and offering this information without being asked. It doesn't mean it didn't happen I just found it interesting he made sure to pull the reporter aside to tell her. He clearly had a lot of things going on mentally along with the fact that we can't deny he and the band were often pushing some agenda. I could base this on the BBC documentary alone when the remaining members of the band were watching interviews and James describes Richey using the Alexander effect, an acting technique and Nicky responds something like he had a manifesto or things he had set to say and how he was making sure he was getting it all in--paraphrase
Fair points but as he did speak about going to see a prostitute when they were in Bangkok I see no reason to disbelieve him regarding that. I'm trying to remember the journalist that took him to task on it later unwilling to let it just be brushed off when it seemed the antithesis of so much he stood for and he got upset/frustrated a little. I can see how maybe from his persepective it meant nothing and he was just trying to make himself feel something or whatever the reasoning goes as if it's a form of self harm but it's not the same another person isn't there to be exploited like a razor blade. It is something I didn't understand as that didn't seem to be in character .... although he did have an ego it seems fair to say......but he was never a 'lad' I never doubted he wasn't speaking the truth....I think he may have regretted speaking the truth. Should've lied like everybody else? Or just not done it like some stupid dumbshit exploitative tourist

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It has never sat well with me in an article where Rachel, with all due respect, said she saw Richey with shorts or something and he had cuts and self-harm all over his legs but they didn't discuss it. Again forgive me as perhaps this may be a cultural thing or my family is odd but if I saw my brother with cuts all over him, and I have in real life, I said something like what the F are you doing? This suggests he did not tell his family everything and most of us don't or we show different sides to different people.
I think that's quite normal, to not say anything or push, it's surprising what becomes 'normal' or what you don't see even when looking and it's only later really that you see a build up or a pattern... Or just don't know how to start or get quickly rebuffed so move on It's also maybe why in part people harm themselves? it's a way of releasing things because it's not easy to just talk and not everything can be sorted that way anyway and there's anger there too I think, that's one thing that always struck me, he spoke so often about not being aggressive, not violent, very passive but to hurt yourself, people are different it's true, but I think there's a lot of anger there, a lot of rage. It seems 'quiet' cos you turn it all inward, maybe that's the problem.....Maybe you do want to be noticed but maybe you want to be left alone too, maybe you've never felt able to speak up for yourself (I'm generalising not trying to guess the mind of Richey).....And maybe people sometimes tire of the perceived attention seeking - it's what you're not allowed to say but it can come with a heavy dose of self obsession which can be exhausting to be around but later maybe you forget that and beat yourself up for not doing more or blame someone else for not doing more.....

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That's fair enough. It's the only lyric on the album that feels coloured by Richey's disappearance. I don't believe Nicky wanted to misrepresent Richey's words here, but perhaps (understandably) emotion seeped into the writing. I think anyone who has lost someone to suicide would understand searching through their words for hidden meanings and subtext. Obviously the original text practically invites one to make these links to what came after. Especially when Richey left nothing behind for the band or his family. I honestly can't imagine how much pain that facet has caused.
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Old 28-02-2019, 22:58
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In everything I've read or ever looked at I know it was always said that Richey was spotted at the hotel around 7am. I know on several occasions I have wondered ok, but by whom? Did he go to the front desk and check out? I don't believe I have seen this addressed? Who saw him? I could be wrong so just wondering if anyone knows more about that or could point me in the right direction...
I've read a few early sources that say he actually checked out at 7 am, but that info has long since been debunked. The author of A Version of Reason seems to have been given quite a bit of access to the police files concerning Richey's disappearance and the description he gives in the book about Richey leaving the hotel reads like he lifted it verbatim from a report. Apparently he was seen walking out of the elevator (lift) by the desk staff at approximately 7 am, he walked past the front desk, down three steps, out the front door and then turned left toward the car park. I think the team behind this new book are now questioning this sighting because of the 24 hour clock revelation. I get why they are questioning it, but if the police at the time received sighting confirmations from more than one witness, I think it's a safe bet he was there at that time.

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Will try and post some more band stuff tomorrow. And some lolz! Because there are lolz, both of writing fail and actual Richey anecdote (how legit any of those are is varyingly up for debate, but). Like one of Richeyís old girlfriends saying Richey accused her of checking out Nickyís, um, stuff when he rocked up to a double date wearing cycling shorts (WIRE.) and the girl being like Ď?!? not remotely interested in Nickí but Richey insisting and storming off in a huff. Enjoyed that tale immensely. For reasons.
That's funny, but it's also a bit sad. Poor bugger!
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Wasn't it Barbara Ellen (from Meloday Maker) who took Richey to task about the Bankok prostitute? I have that interview somewhere, it was reproduced in a commemmorative issue of the magazine.

Edit: It was Barbara Ellen but it was NME. Here's some scans: http://www.foreverdelayed.org.uk/msp..._28th_May_1994

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Fair points but as he did speak about going to see a prostitute when they were in Bangkok I see no reason to disbelieve him regarding that. I'm trying to remember the journalist that took him to task on it later unwilling to let it just be brushed off when it seemed the antithesis of so much he stood for and he got upset/frustrated a little. I can see how maybe from his persepective it meant nothing and he was just trying to make himself feel something or whatever the reasoning goes as if it's a form of self harm but it's not the same another person isn't there to be exploited like a razor blade. It is something I didn't understand as that didn't seem to be in character .... although he did have an ego it seems fair to say......but he was never a 'lad' I never doubted he wasn't speaking the truth....I think he may have regretted speaking the truth. Should've lied like everybody else? Or just not done it like some stupid dumbshit exploitative tourist
'Bangkok Sucker Blues' and the journalist was Barbara Ellen. She does have a "bravo! You go, sister!" moment at the end of the piece, but it kind of trails off into a bit of a somber tone because he's really not challenging any of her criticisms. It's interesting to note however that after they went to Bangkok, not only did his mental health start to really decline so too did his eating.

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Wasn't it Barbara Ellen (from Meloday Maker) who took Richey to task about the Bankok prostitute? I have that interview somewhere, it was reproduced in a commemmorative issue of the magazine.

Edit: It was Barbara Ellen but it was NME. Here's some scans: http://www.foreverdelayed.org.uk/msp..._28th_May_1994
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Wasn't it Barbara Ellen (from Meloday Maker) who took Richey to task about the Bankok prostitute? I have that interview somewhere, it was reproduced in a commemmorative issue of the magazine.

Edit: It was Barbara Ellen but it was NME. Here's some scans: http://www.foreverdelayed.org.uk/msp..._28th_May_1994
Yep. It’s heavily implied in the book that she made the whole thing up, or just DIDN’T UNDERSTAND, because NO-ONE UNDERSTANDS. (Bonus points for discrediting a female journalist in a horrifyingly hyper-male environment.) Whether Richey was being provocative - he did seek out someone to offer the information to, and lbr, was a master of bluster - or truthful, which is also very possible all things considered - the main line I take from this ‘perhaps I wanted to make a point about my sexuality’, which I think is loaded as fuck.

James really doesn’t come over well in that article either, not that that makes Richey’s behaviour any better. Just urgh all round.
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Yep. Itís heavily implied in the book that she made the whole thing up, or just DIDNíT UNDERSTAND, because NO-ONE UNDERSTANDS. (Bonus points for discrediting a female journalist in a horrifyingly hyper-male environment.)
Really?!

I get that they want to portray Richey as a latter day saint. I expected it. But to denigrate others and demonise them (made it up, indeed!) to cast Richey in a more saintly light is such a shitty and cheap tactic. They'll need to do a lot better than that when it comes to re-writing history.
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I've read a few early sources that say he actually checked out at 7 am, but that info has long since been debunked. The author of A Version of Reason seems to have been given quite a bit of access to the police files concerning Richey's disappearance and the description he gives in the book about Richey leaving the hotel reads like he lifted it verbatim from a report. Apparently he was seen walking out of the elevator (lift) by the desk staff at approximately 7 am, he walked past the front desk, down three steps, out the front door and then turned left toward the car park. I think the team behind this new book are now questioning this sighting because of the 24 hour clock revelation. I get why they are questioning it, but if the police at the time received sighting confirmations from more than one witness, I think it's a safe bet he was there at that time.



That's funny, but it's also a bit sad. Poor bugger!
I don't disagree with you Bryter Layter but wow that's a lot of detailed info. Is anyone who spotted him this precise? I would never be able to provide that much info. However if he was recognized by someone who is a fan then the precision and attention to detail would be spot on.

What I was hoping for in this book and so far this is far from the book's intention is credible details that might have been uncovered. I was hoping the toll ticket could lead to something. Given his mental state could he have carried out a disappearance? Yes he was certainly smart enough but with his mental state Idk. Given the fact he appears to have lived in the car for up to two weeks shows me he was uncertain what he wanted to do, or he was waiting for something he thought might be important like a new passport, tightening any loose ends or other speculation.

As for reclaiming Richey I'm not sure what Rachel means? In her grief yes, she could simply want someone to blame. But in my opinion it is difficult to take out the rockstar stuff as this is what consumed him for several years. How can u separate them? But not to belabor the point his mental health and problems associated with that like alcohol and anorexia are a significant part of Richey. This doesn't make him a bad person. I think the band recognized this and tried to help him as best they could. You can only look to Nicky and his extreme weight loss that shows that he was affected. I have read somewhere in a few different places that I can't recall, he was drinking again and crumbling chocolate in a bowl by January 95. Why does Rachel, after all these years, now need to blame someone?
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I Why does Rachel, after all these years, now need to blame someone?
I reckon SHR has given her the perfect outlet for her grief. Take it out on the band.
She has had the chance in many magazine and newspaper interviews over the years to say how she feels.It Seems like hooking up with SHR has made her all brave and daft enough to talk a load of bollocks.
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This whole thread is really interesting to read.

And about painting a black & white picture of Saint Richey VS the Evil Band, it reminds me of this quote from American sociologist Matthew Desmond : "There are not one, but two ways to dehumanize. The first is to strip people of all virtue, and the second is to cleanse them of all sin".

This book is a sad thing for everyone involved.
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Barbara Ellen. Thank yous.

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Yep. Itís heavily implied in the book that she made the whole thing up, or just DIDNíT UNDERSTAND, because NO-ONE UNDERSTANDS. (Bonus points for discrediting a female journalist in a horrifyingly hyper-male environment.) Whether Richey was being provocative - he did seek out someone to offer the information to, and lbr, was a master of bluster - or truthful, which is also very possible all things considered - the main line I take from this Ďperhaps I wanted to make a point about my sexualityí, which I think is loaded as fuck.

James really doesnít come over well in that article either, not that that makes Richeyís behaviour any better. Just urgh all round.
I'm not sure there's much to fail to understand do you? Even if they're suggesting he just said it to provoke ...... what reaction was he hoping for? A point about his sexuality? He sounds like a stroppy teen. When pushed he says there's no difference between that and sleeping with a groupie, all functional....of course it doesn't mean anything on any deep level, no one thinks that but for him to equate the two situations - a groupie of her own accord, star struck though she may be (& he wasn't that bloody famous) and a prostitute where her choice may be no choice at all, you don't know what's lead her to this and clearly don't think to care to ask.... and to think you can buy another person's body....there's no thought in his justification beyond his own self centredness. And it grates so cos I thought he was better than that, he was certainly bright enough...

Doesn't mean that one thing defines the man though, I don't see why they can't acknowledge that side, for who is perfect. That doesn't discredit all of his writings, not at all.....James was clearly acting like a proper twat too if that makes them feel any better
Nick though - a sweetheart
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Itís been a while since I last visited this thread as Iíve been busy with IRL stuff, but thank you to everyone - particularly Sofa - who has taken the time to dip into this hateful book and give us the confirmation that it is, indeed, a hit piece against the boys. The more I read of what you guys have posted, the more infuriated Iíve become. This is not someone trying to take back Richey Edwards and his legacy and present us with the reality of the man; this is someone attempting to reshape the existing myth to better suit their own narrative.


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Wasn't it Barbara Ellen (from Meloday Maker) who took Richey to task about the Bankok prostitute? I have that interview somewhere, it was reproduced in a commemmorative issue of the magazine.

Edit: It was Barbara Ellen but it was NME. Here's some scans: http://www.foreverdelayed.org.uk/msp..._28th_May_1994
One random observation: why does the author refer to Rob Stringer as ďthe living embodiment of capitalist evilĒ? Thatís a bit fucking strong, donít you think?
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Itís been a while since I last visited this thread as Iíve been busy with IRL stuff, but thank you to everyone - particularly Sofa - who has taken the time to dip into this hateful book and give us the confirmation that it is, indeed, a hit piece against the boys. The more I read of what you guys have posted, the more infuriated Iíve become. This is not someone trying to take back Richey Edwards and his legacy and present us with the reality of the man; this is someone attempting to reshape the existing myth to better suit their own narrative.




One random observation: why does the author refer to Rob Stringer as ďthe living embodiment of capitalist evilĒ? Thatís a bit fucking strong, donít you think?
Amen to all you've said .

The quote is very strong. However, on its own, that's all it is - a very strong and unreasonable opinion. In SHR's book, quoting that should have been irrelevant. Paired with the revelation that Rob Stringer is Jewish, you start to see a whopping problem.

Not only that, but Rob has been a friend and supporter of the
Band through thick and thin. So he's another one under the bus for the sake of the notion that the band, and all who sail in her, are evil.
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