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I also think I've derailed this thread enough. Back to the book, which I don't have and am interested in hearing more about… |
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"I didn't feel any sense of other relief cos I knew all this was yet to come, I mean this is the difficult stuff. Choosing your words – you're like a politician, it's the closest because you're interpreting someone else's words, so many people to think about, it's a hard story for a lot of people. In some ways the band has had it easier, it's a lot harder for his family, for his mam and dad, for his sister – all the pain and trauma they've had to go through. So for me, there is an element when... once the... When you see like a promotion schedule for something that 50 % of, i.e. all the lyrics are written by someone else and it's quite daunting."
That was Nicky in 2009, talking of doing promo for JFPL in the Shadows & Words documentary. So very disrespectful, clearly claiming ownership and generally just being an asshole about Richey and his family. Indeed. Just needed to share this. |
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Interesting that people who are either casual fans or lapsed fans seem to find this book quite good, but from what very little I've read so far, the writing doesn't seem particularly good. I can only assume it's the subject matter that the reviewers are responding to. For what it's worth, I always thought Faster, for the most part, was him writing about himself. Same with Yes. I also don't understand the criticism of Nicky's WLW edit. That piece of writing is a massive ramble and I'd like to see those giving him shit for it, do a better job! I think if there's any legit criticism to be had it's that perhaps they shouldn't have made it into a song if it was unclear what Richey's intentions were for it. It obviously doesn't read like a song lyric, but then again, he's quoted as saying that he and Nicky would give James two or three pieces of paper and then James would try and make a lyric from it so maybe they assumed the same of WLW. Nevertheless, If Rachel believed the piece to be something more meaningful in it's original form, then the band should have respected that and left it alone. |
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SHR has wrote a few plays with Leon -
http://www.welshfargostagecompany.com/tag/sara-hawys/ (although it says Leon Russell, Russell is his middle name) https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-...-night-6996575 I knew SHR from my uni days and she had a male friend which sadly his name escapes me (it was over ten years ago) who was always hanging around her. When me and my friend were going to move in with her for a student house, she and her male friend were going to join us. So I would put bets on it being him. All I can remember is him being a very big Morrissey fan. SHR probably got Leon to help with the structure/editing of the book. |
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They should have sent it to a pro like me. There would be none of this shit.
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I thought Faster was drawing in part from the ideas in 1984 as well and The Trial. Depictions of a society where morality is laid out by those with power....I always took Nicky’s ‘The opening line is: 'I am an architect/They call me a butcher' - and of course, he's been carving into his arm and all that...’ as tongue in cheek delivered with an eye roll..or exhaustion..... but of course there’s a lot of self-hate, nihilism running through and again the recurring theme in his lyrics of everything being corrupted by age, an obsession with truth no matter the consequences and maybe society speeding up and no longer reflecting on whether anything matters or has value. Faster may refer to society or to fasting – a form of protest or of self harm. Easy to give up when society doesn’t like you to stand out but why stand out if everything ultimately means nothing.....I'd love a book analysing the lyrics really much more than the one we may actually never be about to get...
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Still, could be read as analogy. A farewell of a kind. He left it with them I reckon Nicky has earned license to draw out a song as a tribute/a goodbye from a friend...let him take what he will. I personally feel like it comes over as a suicide note in the rewriting but appreciate that's refuted. I can see it may cause upset but as has been noted the band did produce the piece in it's entirety so the song is Nicky's version of a piece left to him and not an attempt to misrepresent Richey's work....not that I'm saying that be what you're saying but maybe what his sister feels...
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Sorry, I have yet to read through since last time I posted so if this answered already forgive me as this is then off topic. In everything I've read or ever looked at I know it was always said that Richey was spotted at the hotel around 7am. I know on several occasions I have wondered ok, but by whom? Did he go to the front desk and check out? I don't believe I have seen this addressed? Who saw him? I could be wrong so just wondering if anyone knows more about that or could point me in the right direction... Last edited by vaiden; 28-02-2019 at 00:17. Reason: spelling and grammar and over excitement about more news on the book |
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You’re spot on re: the public image/persona thing. Certainly her anger is entirely understandable but that doesn’t make it right. Same with the need to blame someone etc, it’s all obviously grief and the need for answers, but that doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to take innocent, also-grieving parties down for it. Rachel wants, as anyone in her position would, what she heartbreakingly can’t have: answers. An ending. But taking shots at others won’t give her that. Everyone has suffered more than enough already in this story. It’s beyond sad that yet more unnecessary hurt is being caused. I think the Times article and others are correct in their observation in that the reason no-one can make sense of Richey’s story is because it doesn’t make sense. You can’t force it to because you need it, alas. The only person with answers and explanations is him, and honestly I don’t think he knew/would know looking back wtf was going on himself half the time, such was his state. Nicky on Richey & religion, from the book: ‘he’s always had this this thing about it. I’ve never really talked to him about it, but he’s always made out that it really pissed him off and fucked him up.’ I’ve always thought religion was one of the biggest, most obvious things Richey had a lasting fixation and struggle with, it’s one of the many things that drew me to him. I went through Catholic schooling and ended up with the opposite feelings that you have, in my experience it fucks you up massively, on levels it’s very hard for logic to reach and in ways it’s equally difficult to shift. Honestly I think it’s one of the things that’s most shaped me as a person, though it’s not something I consider as A Feature Of Me or tend to go into all the time, if you get me. Blathering with all this because of Rachel saying Richey didn’t ‘seem’ bothered... she also says the minister they saw was ‘evangelical and over the top’, that Richey was very ‘agnostic and questioning’ and ‘for him it was far more complex than being a believer or an atheist’. If you’re that bothered that young... it doesn’t bode well, as far as I’m concerned. You’re right to point out his hand-wringing with the 12 step stuff later on. I am struggling to face those pages properly, tbh. But anyway, Richey’s preoccupation with religion is there throughout his writing, imagery, everything - I think it may indeed be that Rachel takes umbrage with the idea that he was messed up by/about religion because the church has helped her so much. Which, if it has, good, I’m glad, but you can’t rewrite your brother to suit that. ‘Scrap the book and pick up the phone’ - nail on head. SHR has no clue what she’s doing except when it came to weedling her way into this position. She doesn’t know Richey, she doesn’t know the band - I mean these as even on the level we do, not KNOW know, despite her access to Richey’s... freaking EVERYTHING, seemingly - she doesn’t know how to sodding write. She has no credentials except her creepery. It’s repugnant. The more I go over the book, the more I think on it, the stronger my reaction. The reason I said earlier that ‘Jo in the 90s’ seemed to think a thing is because having considered that she refused to be part of the project proper, and her latest letter quoted is from 1998, it’s very possible Jo no longer feels the way she did/is portrayed to in the book. As such it seems further questionable that she is treated as infallible therein. She comes across a certain way - definitely not the one intended - which she may well not be happy with as an older woman now. I wonder if she could be a party that has a problem with it.
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I am a big fan of Richey's lyrics but also his pretty accurate descriptions of some of his problems gathered from information provided by other's descriptions of said problems who don't know or even heard of Richey. I also know Richey was no saint. I feel like I can say that with a reasonable amount of certainty only knowing his age, maturity as stated by him and other members of the band.his profession, and the opportunities he had (travel, exposure to fans etc, and descriptions of those who were around him at the time). I have never fully believed many things Richey said about sex, groupies, prostitutes, wanking. I say this knowing that what we say and what we actually do does not always correspond. This has been proven time and again through empirical data published and disseminated in scientific journals. I have always thought the whole Thailand thing with the prostitute was a little sketchy. This is certainly my own opinion. I say this because of him cuddling up to the reporter and offering this information without being asked. It doesn't mean it didn't happen I just found it interesting he made sure to pull the reporter aside to tell her. He clearly had a lot of things going on mentally along with the fact that we can't deny he and the band were often pushing some agenda. I could base this on the BBC documentary alone when the remaining members of the band were watching interviews and James describes Richey using the Alexander effect, an acting technique and Nicky responds something like he had a manifesto or things he had set to say and how he was making sure he was getting it all in--paraphrase Another point that strikes me is that he spent the majority of his time with the band and I have no doubt they knew as much about him and probably more than his family or anyone else. I only say this because particularly in your teens and twenties are you going to call your mum to say "Hey, I got blackout wasted, had sex with a groupie". It has never sat well with me in an article where Rachel, with all due respect, said she saw Richey with shorts or something and he had cuts and self-harm all over his legs but they didn't discuss it. Again forgive me as perhaps this may be a cultural thing or my family is odd but if I saw my brother with cuts all over him, and I have in real life, I said something like what the F are you doing? This suggests he did not tell his family everything and most of us don't or we show different sides to different people My head is about to explode as I have so many other things to say now but I will leave it with it is unacceptable to blame anyone or everyone else for whatever happened to Richey especially having info on his mental state, medication which may take some time to work and stopping them without titrating is dangerous or if he was even taking it. Richey himself said something to the effect that you can't have somebody around 24/7 to make sure you eat. I would place more importance on his mental state of mind. Unless the band drugged him and/or forced him at gunpoint to do whatever it is that he did, I think it is irresponsible and irrational to blame anyone else. Where I'm from you can't even make a report about an adult being missing until 24 or maybe 48 hours have elapsed if there is no foul play suspected......Ugh! This is not the band's fault. It is not his family's fault. And here I thought the book may provide info on whether or not Nicky attended uni with Richey, what Nicky's major was, and whether or not Richey wrote his papers lol. Only kidding. I love Mr. Wire. All these years later it seems like is about to cry when he discusses Richey. Last edited by vaiden; 28-02-2019 at 01:56. Reason: added last comment on Wire |
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Will try and post some more band stuff tomorrow. And some lolz! Because there are lolz, both of writing fail and actual Richey anecdote (how legit any of those are is varyingly up for debate, but). Like one of Richey’s old girlfriends saying Richey accused her of checking out Nicky’s, um, stuff when he rocked up to a double date wearing cycling shorts (WIRE.) and the girl being like ‘?!? not remotely interested in Nick’ but Richey insisting and storming off in a huff. Enjoyed that tale immensely. For reasons.
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That's another thing about the book. From what I can gather there is so much nastiness and outright lies in it that any new information or stories offered up has to be doubted or really scrutinised and that stops any actual enjoyment. For me anyway.
Also because the attacks on the band have already left a nasty taste in my mouth this will bias my opinion on anything else SHR writes. That doesn't mean I can't be objective about each piece of information just that I'm less willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. |
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I don't necessarily feel his sister's anger is justified but I can see why something like this leads to it, emotions are so intense....what I do agree is wrong is SHR walking in and taking it all as objective fact and thinking it's fine to (try) and print it all. They appear to be friends but that too just means objectivity has flown out the window and a good friend wouldn't have let her expose herself to this extent. So far the book doesn't seem to be about Richey so much as about reclaiming him....but the only reason for the interest in a book is because he was in the band and all of his writings and work went into the band what's the point of trying to strip all that away. Of course he was more than that but that's never been disputed, He was more than just a self-harmer, it was frustrating that that took away the focus from the acute intelligence of his lyrics, from the sheer volume of knowledge he acquired, understood and could articulate and offer opinions on, a shame his humour was sometimes missed.....but the book seems in danger of ignoring all that too...all trace withdrawn indeed Quote:
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