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I don't find Too Cold Here to be "teenage angst" at all. Do people really find those lyrics cringe-worthy? I guess I just consider teenage angst to be far cheesier than TCH.
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I consider them self-indulgent, but really, Richey often tried to avoid it I think, and focus on more 'important' things, but I don't think indulging himself in that song was a bad thing at all!
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Actually, I think Too Cold Here is quite good. But this (as topical mentioned)
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Edited to add: and it's a shame that so much of From Despair to Where is indeed a bit cringe-inducing, because I try to walk in a straight line / An imitation of dignity - that's not adolescent at all, that's the epitome of demoralization, that's heartbreaking. Last edited by vtn; 29-12-2009 at 05:37. |
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I think the crucifix line is mocking, not angsty, but that's interpretation. The LSE line just sounds like truism. You may as well call Motown Junk angsty, but I think both that an LSE have genuine atmosphere/emotions. Not a bad thing! Motown Junk in itself means a lot to me!
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Hm I'm not sure, Richey did like comparing himself to Jesus (see Doors Closing Slowly...) But I agree with you, I think it's largely because these lines are being taken out of context that they're being perceived in a certain way. They're easy to quote where a lot of Richey's other lyrics are more abstruse.
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I mean mocking in the sense that Crucifix Kiss is an 'I despise religion' song (Simon Price put it more moderately as 'Secular song', but IMO it's quite hateful as well.)
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Yeah, I think it's about the way Richey perceives religion as futile, mind-controlling, and damaging. But in another sense it might be about cults of fame - I think there's also a thread going on about the censorship of music, and making the choice to be a free thinker which is both freeing and damning...
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Hang on, what's with the slating of Too Cold Here? "Prison it's only four walls but sometimes, the mind is the smallest prison of all" and "It's easier to make love to a stranger than to ask a friend to call", they demonstrate brillantly Richey's knack for clear, concise perceptions amidst his confusion, and he phrases them beautifully. Okay, perhaps you can't identify with what he's saying, but me being someone who can (actually, I was there two weeks ago with the second line, very much so), I love it. It's not teenage angst, it's genuine, matured, self-dissapointed sadness.
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For me those are two of the most hackneyed, unoriginal conceptions of "the despair of life" in the Manics' whole back catalogue. Both very, very generic teenage angst imo.
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But 'self-indulgent' isn't the same as bad song...
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