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Old 22-01-2011, 13:55
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The end of Cardiff Afterlife, it sounds like a badly cut mp3
I love the way it ends so abrubtly, it just shows we enjoy different elements of what the band does.
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Old 22-01-2011, 14:13
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1) Production on GT, so bad. Half the songs could've been great (see live versions!)
2) Production on some of THB, no fan of the dodgy bathroomy vocals.
3) Gold Against the Soul - far too overproduced.
4) 70% of Postcards for a Young Man - They clearly wanted to rush release a new album, and tried too hard to make it sound commercial. As a result, the songs suffered.


I couldn't care less about the Underdogs edit, i have a version that doesn't include the Edit anyway. One of my favourite songs off SATT.
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Old 22-01-2011, 14:20
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I love the way it ends so abrubtly, it just shows we enjoy different elements of what the band does.
i love the way cardiff afterlife just stops, so much that i actually don't like the bonus tracks starting after it when i play the japanese version of the album
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Old 22-01-2011, 14:25
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I'd always interpretated the 'entertainment' jobs as the 'pointless' ones, I thought they were denigrating themselves. Whoops.
This is what I think, too. Nicky struggles with the question of whether or not there is any point in making music if it doesn't reach a mass audience, and the one of whether it truly has an effect on the people that it does reach. The lyrics of this song strike me much more as depressive musings on those topics than as a put-down of working people.
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Old 22-01-2011, 14:35
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Think I agree here. My take is that they're not moaning at the internet itself, more that it has become a time waster for many people. I mean, my niece spends HOURS on Facebook, ultimately spouting a load of crap that doesn't need to be mentioned to anybody whatsover. "Mmm...pie for tea". Thanks for sharing that with us. Is it this that Nicky is getting at, rather than people using the internet to read the news etc?
Partly, but he's talked in interviews about 'lies' and blogs and forum posts in relation to the song. But the whole notion is ludicrous that the internet is some revolution in consuming boredom and time-wasting and gossip and half-truths.

So you read a rumour on a website instead of hearing it down the pub? Big deal. Or you read an outright lie on a blog instead of the more traditional route of a tabloid newspaper. So what?

"Without any kind of consequence" Nicky? No, that's not true. In many ways the internet is great leveller of class and money and allows the wronged to make a blog or post on a forum, or get a twitter account, as much as the next person.

But most of all I just hate the sense of snobbery I get from it. I have a real problem that after a lifetime of addressing class issues from his background that in this song he's basically supporting the establishment, saying only 'real professionals' are allowed public opinions, and the great unwashed are just a billion liars, AND that anyone reading those lies lack the critical faculties of someone reading a real-life newspaper. I think it stinks, and if that isn't a message he wanted to imply then I consider the lyrics and his explanation of the song's meaning deeply unsatisfactory.

But I really do love the guitar solos.
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When nicky interviewed Tony Benn, think he expected him to agree with his anti-internet stance. Can't remember exactly what Tony said but the gist was not everything on the internet is crap. Nicky promised to give it another go. Liar.
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if they were in fact calling us "freaks", then it's perhaps a self-depreciating way of acknowledging their fans who (mostly) stick by them, thick and thin. it would be very, very nice if they used it as an obscure reference to a Marillion b-side, the rather brilliant Freaks.

as for really, really bad lyrics, that whole "Godfather III" shit makes me cringe and has rendered it impossible for me to listen to TFHBH4E ever again.
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Old 22-01-2011, 17:58
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Rel, you are probably right about Entertainment. As James did say about being 'bottom of the food chain' being a musician!
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Old 22-01-2011, 17:59
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The lyrics that people say are cringeworthy or whatever I just laugh at and move on to the next lyric. I don't sit there thinking 'How/why did they write that???'
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Old 22-01-2011, 18:07
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I hate the line in Mr Carbohydrate (I think it's that one anyway,) about wanting to work in a bank. Go on then Wire, get on with it. Quit the job that thousands would love to have and go and work in a bank. Seemingly he doesn't really want that, because he's still in the Manics, in which case he shouldn't have whinged in the first place.
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Partly, but he's talked in interviews about 'lies' and blogs and forum posts in relation to the song. But the whole notion is ludicrous that the internet is some revolution in consuming boredom and time-wasting and gossip and half-truths.

So you read a rumour on a website instead of hearing it down the pub? Big deal. Or you read an outright lie on a blog instead of the more traditional route of a tabloid newspaper. So what?

"Without any kind of consequence" Nicky? No, that's not true. In many ways the internet is great leveller of class and money and allows the wronged to make a blog or post on a forum, or get a twitter account, as much as the next person.

But most of all I just hate the sense of snobbery I get from it. I have a real problem that after a lifetime of addressing class issues from his background that in this song he's basically supporting the establishment, saying only 'real professionals' are allowed public opinions, and the great unwashed are just a billion liars, AND that anyone reading those lies lack the critical faculties of someone reading a real-life newspaper. I think it stinks, and if that isn't a message he wanted to imply then I consider the lyrics and his explanation of the song's meaning deeply unsatisfactory.

But I really do love the guitar solos.
Good post, well argued. And yes, the solos are fabulous...
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the only lyric i find that really annoys me is the very last 2 lines of condemned to rock n roll from generation terrorists.

"there's nothing i wanna see, there's nowhere i wanna go".

because that's just bullshit.
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Old 31-01-2011, 21:34
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the only lyric i find that really annoys me is the very last 2 lines of condemned to rock n roll from generation terrorists.

"there's nothing i wanna see, there's nowhere i wanna go".

because that's just bullshit.
I quite like that line. I've definitely felt like that before.
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I love the ending lyric of Condemned To Rock & Roll.
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