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Old 30-03-2019, 23:57
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Did she want credits for the lines? It's so petty.
Maybe not given credit, but they could have at least asked her permission. Pete Doherty was sued and ended up settling, paying a poet ten grand for using a couple of lines from one of his poems without asking permission or giving credit. So if they did in fact end up using lines from her poem then I don't really see the pettiness here, I would be kinda pissed too.
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Old 31-03-2019, 03:01
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I read it as the band didn't know she'd somehow contributed to the lines and the book doesn't make it clear how recently she'd written.

I agree that I'd be pissed off too if they knew that I'd written a poem and Richey used it in the lyrics but didn't even get a Thank You in the liner notes. I don't think they knew though.

I can't say why they didn't write back and I'd like to think they'd acknowledge her letter if they'd read it. Perhaps the letter didn't reach them if it was sent to management or via someone else.
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Old 31-03-2019, 04:19
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If part of Jo’s poem was included in The Girl Who Wanted to be God then it was quite obviously Richey who included it (I think he was also accused of stealing lines from another fan’s poetry for the lyrics to 4st 7lb and that fan, Becky I believe her name was, wasn’t credited either) so having a go at the band about that is absurd! Presuming she was able to provide them with proof that Richey nicked pieces of her poem and they still didn’t respond, why didn’t she take legal action? Why bring it up over 20 years later in a bio about the guy who nicked them in the first place? As far as I’m concerned, that accusation is just another cheap shot at the band in a chapter full of them! From Jo’s letters making it seem like the band somehow owe her like she was Richey’s widow or something (she was in her early 20s at the time so I think some slack can be cut where she’s concerned) to Rachel making it sound like the band didn’t do enough to find him or her obvious annoyance at them carrying on without him. Also, as Raven mentions, the Bugs Bunny folder thing was beyond petty and kind of hipocritical. She goes on about not knowing if he wanted those things published because they were his private thoughts...in a book where everything from his personal diaries to his stay in treatment facilities for mental illness and addictions, are included. Rachel may have some legitimate gripes with the band and their management for blanking her and may be the band really shouldn’t have used lyrics from All is Vanity for Picturesque without crediting Richey, but beyond that, I don’t think they deserve to be slighted like this especially given how respectful of the family’s feelings they’ve been and continue to be.

Vaiden: no idea why the delay. I’m currently trying to get through the original edition which I purchased from Ireland back in Feb and comparing it to the digital copy released on March 14/15, but so far I can’t find any variances. I really don’t want to read the book again particularly the BS song interpretations (once was enough! Lol!) so I haven’t gotten very far. As much as I wish this book helps Rachel Edwards find some peace of mind, it’s not a very well written book (that Margaret on the Guillotine error is the least of its problems) and like both Raven and Handbag mentioned, it’s far too biased. It was a struggle to get through it the first time.
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Old 31-03-2019, 06:52
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If part of Joís poem was included in The Girl Who Wanted to be God then it was quite obviously Richey who included it (I think he was also accused of stealing lines from another fanís poetry for the lyrics to 4st 7lb and that fan, Becky I believe her name was, wasnít credited either) so having a go at the band about that is absurd!
I remember Becky, she was featured in that awful documentary about Richey that was made a year or two after he vanished. But wasn't it "Roses in the Hospital"? Or did she steal their title so they nicked a couple of her lines? It was something like that.

Kind of unrelated, but didn't Becky have her own emoji on here at one point?
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Old 31-03-2019, 08:53
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^ I felt quite sorry for the fans featured in that documentary, it truly was awful. But I’m sure it was 4st 7lb, the lines about ‘that’s the way you’re built my father said, but I can change’.

Edit to add, the poem seems to have vanished from the internet.

What makes any plagiarism/borrowing/inspiration particularly sour is the comments made by Richey (?and Nicky?) in an interview, about receiving ‘awful ‘ fan poems about eating only an apple each day, etc. Fine to take inspiration from many sources, including fans, but give credit where it’s due, and as a minimum, don’t mock those who you are borrowing from!

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Old 31-03-2019, 09:01
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I don't know anything about Emojis, but smilies on the other hand:

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Old 31-03-2019, 10:51
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I don't know anything about Emojis, but smilies on the other hand:


Emoticon!
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Old 31-03-2019, 13:56
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Old 31-03-2019, 16:38
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I wonder where she is now.
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Old 31-03-2019, 16:55
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Edit to add, the poem seems to have vanished from the internet.
Nothing ever vanishes from the internet!

Roses In The Hospital by Becky Craig

EAT! NO! EAT!
They don’t understand! No-one does
I am trapped here, in a place that’s supposed to make me better!
It’s messing me up even more!
What IS better anyway? Am I to pretend everything is wonderful?

I wanna lie in my bed and clear my mind from the terrifying thoughts that haunt me!
They don’t belong there, NO thoughts do!
Life would be so much better if no-one FELT!
Feeling is only pain!

My one joy is the Manic Street Preachers
They understand! There is hope!
It’s so tough growing up, can’t we stay children for ever?
I see the roses dying in a vase next to my bed
Wilting, too tired to stand straight anymore
They don’t smell pure anymore
The nauseating smell of this ugly building has polluted them
Is nothing safe, even something as beautiful as a rose?
The stench gets into everything, leaving nothing uncontaminated. Nothing pure!

“That’s the way you’re built” my father said
But I can change that
,
I can waste away till my sharp bones pierce my stretched skin like daggers
and I have no build, NO feelings, NO shape!

NOTHING!

If you have nothing, you have nothing to lose
I am so very frightened but what of? Of feeling?

The HURT!

I can’t stand the pain any longer! I can escape though! I simply put on Motorcycle Emptiness and drift away from here!
Far away somewhere I want to be. Let me out! Help me please!

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Old 31-03-2019, 19:28
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^ Which is itself a direct rip-off of / homage to, depending on how you view these things, Tulips by Sylvia Plath.

Also someone mentioned Pete Doherty stealing a couple of lines from a poet. What are the lines in question out of interest, and which poem? He nicked an entire verse of Deep Pile Dreams by Ian Brown on French Dog Blues and got away with it. Also on his new album, there's a song called Someone Else To Be that is essentially Sweet Jane by the Velvet Underground with an entire verse stolen from Don't Look Back In Anger by Oasis.

Where do we draw the line between plagiarism or paying homage to an idol or referencing something you appreciate and respect?
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Old 31-03-2019, 20:45
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anyone know what happened to becky craig? both of those girls have exceptionally weird heads.
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Old 31-03-2019, 20:58
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Also someone mentioned Pete Doherty stealing a couple of lines from a poet. What are the lines in question out of interest, and which poem?
Stiff With A Quiff by Nick Toczek. The lines, "It's a lousy life for the washed up wife of a permanently plastered, pissed up bastard."

https://diffuser.fm/pete-doherty-set...ealing-lyrics/
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Old 31-03-2019, 21:05
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MY (VERY SHORT) REVIEW

Read the book over the weekend while traveling.

I'd say about 20% of it was an interesting read. I didn't know the exact timeline of events in 1994/1995 and that was about the only thing I took from the book.

I work in books and writing (yes I am being vague on purpose) and this is a very poor book. It is EXTREMELY padded out. The vast majority of the book is quotations from interviews already in the public domain as well as rather amateur attempts at interpreting lyrics. The chapter that started breaking down the Holy Bible lyrics was atrocious.

Each section seems to return to the point that Richey was interested in this movie or that book in which the protagonist disappeared and committed suicide and so it all makes sense. That is the overall narrative thread. Very poor.

A more interesting book would have been to focus on the last year of the band up to Richey's disappearance. That is the true story of Richey and the Manic Street Preachers. The book suggests the incredible tensions of that time, but, of course, without any actual involvement of anyone that was there, this book can only offer incredibly superficial speculation.

What was the point of this book? It says absolutely nothing new.

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Old 31-03-2019, 21:23
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This is why love this place! At least three maybe four different posters separate from each other basically going "Yeah it's... Ah... Ummmm" but in their own way.
Do you think people who don't even come on this forum anymore will accept the book as gospel?
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