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Old 29-10-2014, 20:02
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I really don't like James' vocals on "Send Away The Tigers". They are far too shouty. Is shouty a word? The songs are bit too quiet, quiet, loud in their structure.
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Old 29-10-2014, 22:01
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As someone already said before Satt is more enjoyable musically and Postcard lyrically but I can't really say that one is better than the other. I hardly listen to both of them tbh.
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Old 30-10-2014, 10:24
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I almost feel like a lone voice writing this, there are some supporters of course as I've read on this thread, I would add my name to the list of those who love PFAYM, and while I don't feel SATT is quite the same standard, as an album I really enjoy it.

SATT has some very big hitters, 'Winterlovers' for instance, but also tracks that don't quite reach the potential they could have had; lyrically it's not the best they've ever done also.

PFAYM however I loved on release, and still do. It and it's 15 mighty B-Sides are currently two of my most played albums on the ol' ipod. Postcards simply has glorious melodies, the 11 tracks on the album plus 15 B's; 26 tracks I honestly really enjoy listening to, even now 4 years later.
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Old 30-10-2014, 11:12
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With regards to Postcards, it is my least favourite, but I seem to enjoy it more than many of my Manics fan friends. The first five songs can go away. Some Kind of Nothingness is a well written song and I enjoy it live, but it's too overblown and bombastic on record. Hazelton Avenue is perhaps my least favourite thing they've ever released.

However, I love Auto-Intoxication through to Don't Be Evil. I Think I've Found It and All We Make Is Entertainment are a bit cheesy but there are some good lyrics and excellent sounds and melodies peppered throughout that second half. I loved Billion Balconies live at Brixton, and Auto-Intoxication is still a big favourite of mine.
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Old 30-10-2014, 11:28
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It followed (the mighty) Journal For Plague Lovers. It may have been doomed from the start a little bit, but it is pretty shit regardless of when it was released.
I feel sorry for it, it was following the sublime. Kinda how Bono should've felt when The Velvet Underground supported U2. I should've felt, the bastard probably thought U2 were a better band.

I feel sorry for Postcards, I'm sticking it on.
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Old 30-10-2014, 11:42
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SATT had way more love when it came out, I thought.
Did it? How things change then, not seen much but dissing for it since I've been on here until this thread.
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Old 30-10-2014, 11:46
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It was exciting at the time, I still have great memories of the Tigers era. I even remember one daft sod I know claiming it was the best album of the century.
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Old 30-10-2014, 14:26
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Both albums come from the " Boys, we really need to be relevant" barrell. No risks are taken, musically both albums are very pedestrian and devoid of any real wow factor. Sure, both albums have good songs but I rarely listen to them. I still detest ITWJTEOL and possibly always will.
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Old 30-10-2014, 14:37
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I still detest ITWJTEOL and possibly always will.
I can't agree with this statement with any more enthusiasm. It's the most cynical single they've ever produced. Even those misplaced brackets send me into a fit. Whenever I hear it live, I just die a bit inside every time.
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Neither are anything worth going into in great detail, but Send Away The Tigers is a much better structured album that has a decent flow to it.

It's summed up in the title tracks. Send Away The Tigers is the best track on that album, while Postcards the song is one of my least favourite singles or songs. It's the sound of a band with absolutely no inspiration and musicially they sound like they're in terminal decline. Thankfully that wasn't the case as they came good again with later albums.
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Old 30-10-2014, 15:25
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Both albums come from the " Boys, we really need to be relevant" barrell. No risks are taken, musically both albums are very pedestrian and devoid of any real wow factor. Sure, both albums have good songs but I rarely listen to them. I still detest ITWJTEOL and possibly always will.
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I can't agree with this statement with any more enthusiasm. It's the most cynical single they've ever produced. Even those misplaced brackets send me into a fit. Whenever I hear it live, I just die a bit inside every time.
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Old 30-10-2014, 16:23
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It was exciting at the time, I still have great memories of the Tigers era. I even remember one daft sod I know claiming it was the best album of the century.
I had to, I was drunk.
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Old 30-10-2014, 21:27
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Prefer Postcards (currently ranked 6th in my list) to Tigers (9th) although they definitely come from the same "version" of the band - the one that wants to write catchy pop rock and sell some records. I have no problem with this and therefore embrace it. Intrinsically I don't think they're that different. Both have some great stuff (YLAINE, Golden Platitudes, Auto-intoxication) and some dross (Autumnsong, last descent) but I always find that I never instinctively reach for SATT whereas I often reach for Postcards.
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Old 31-10-2014, 12:07
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The thing with the SATT era, was that it seemed like a direct attempt to just have fun making music again, and for the most part there was a good feel to everything they did. I have to say I enjoyed the Manchester Apollo show of 2007 as much as I have any other I've seen them do. That probably glossed over the shortcomings of the album, it was just fun.

PFAYM, I can only listen to the singles; and live there was a distinctly deflated feel to the gigs, as well as the overall campaign. It was almost apologetic, rather than a proud presentation of the new album. It was supposed to be one last shot at mass communication or whatever, but it seemed firmly rooted in Radio 2 comfortable easi-rock territory.

At least 6 of the tracks are very good quality, and while SATT is far from their finest hour, at least 6 of the tracks are very good quality; so it would be SATT for me every time.
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Old 31-10-2014, 15:34
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SATT had a few good songs, although overall it was incredibly weak. The b-sides, however, were brilliant. Postcards is, in my opinion, an excellent album, and the b-sides were also fantastic. So for me, I would say Postcards wins hands down.
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