Rank RTF compared to the other albums

[AK47]

Hmm tricky but this is my honest to god list of how each album stands with me:-

1: GATS - the first album of theirs I bought in October 1993. Got turned onto them after catching La Tristesse Durera on MTV. That track intrigued me, instantly catchy, fantastic video and at that time I had no fucking idea who the Manics were. Fantastic memories.

2:- This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours - I'd just come out of a 5 year relationship with my childhood sweetheart and someone who finally fell for me as we finished Uni. A beautiful period and this soundtracked the heartbreak so effortlessly. My father was diagnosed with bowel cancer and lost his battle on the eve the manics played Coopers Feild in Cardiff. I was at that gig when I found it. The album just encompasses all the sadness, desperation and confusion I felt at the time.

3:- The Holy Bible - bought this in 94, didn't really understand it and didn't get truly into it until 1999. I loved Faster, This Is Yesterday and She Is Suffering. It took me a long time to truly love it, what it stood for and what it meant for the band.

4:- Everything Must Go - summer 96 was just amazing. Great memories of being with my ex, planning our future together and just enjoying this album in the garden smoking regal, drinking beer and wine and feeling happy. The album has great emotion and is kind of hopeful and it gave me a lot of strength.

5:- Winter 2004 was a strange feeling for me. 1985 was a song that was a sucker punch. I'd lost my brother to Leukemia in the Xmas of that year. I was too young to appreciate the hurt and heartbreak my parents were feeling but that song got me researching the effects Thatcher had on Wales back then. So much struggle in Britain.

I live to fall asleep also became a song that broke my heart.

6:- Journal For Plague Lovers - I'd lost my youngest brother at 21 in 2009 from a long term illness. This soundtracked those months and helped me a lot. Great music, lyrics and gave me hope that things would get better.

7:- Generation Terrorists - youthful firebrands that dared to be OTT. The energy of YLU, LBN and ME makes me smile this band got as far as they have. Overblown theatrics, power chords and fret wanking.

8: Know Your Enemy - I love the band at this period, doing a big album of ideas and they made a fantastic album. It's ugly, rough, Lo-fi, bizarre and eclectic. A best of.

9:- Send Away The Tigers - Urgh, Christ. This album really hurt me as a manics fan. It had 2 great songs in Welcome To The Deadzone ( a fucking bside!!!) and The second Great Depression. Your Love Alone started this horrible trend of big, empty, cheesy singles. There is literally nothing of intelligence within this album, it was made to try and regain a commercial footing but for me it's an artistic failure. Awful songs and filler. The band are on autopilot here and seemed to step away from what they were best at.

10:- Postcards From A Young Man - After Journal there was a hope that whatever the manics did next would be fresh, inspired, experimental. No, they couldn't be fucking arsed with that and once again we get another attempt at commercial relevance. Big cheesy singles, guest spots for musicians and vocalists. Golden Platitudes was great though.

11: RTF - too early to place but absolutely love it.

[Tetsu]

Originally Posted by AK47

Send Away The Tigers - Urgh, Christ. This album really hurt me as a manics fan. (...) There is literally nothing of intelligence within this album, it was made to try and regain a commercial footing but for me it's an artistic failure. Awful songs and filler. The band are on autopilot here and seemed to step away from what they were best at.

Completely agree. It's the only album I really wish the Manics had never done. Most of the songs are just rehashes of old material, it's so trite, uninspired and empty. Also, Nicky's weakest work as a lyricist. And the irony is I found it okay when it came out. I actually liked it at the time. But as time went by, it became unbearably unlistenable. It completely baffles me how so many people seem to enjoy it. For instance, PFAYM gets incomparably more hate and isn't nearly as bad. And I really can't fathom how someone can rank RTF below SATT. No way on earth!

[FacelessSenseOfVoid]

Rankings for me:

TGW

The rest of the Manics discography

IKTZ

[Donkey]

Well...we all know how it is and who doesn't is blind.

First four albums are what Manics gave to the musical world. Fifth album is their superficial attempt for pop hits (succesfull though),

for fans they made JFPL which is great. the rest is forgettable. I love Lifeblood personally, but that's just me.

[Donkey]

Originally Posted by FacelessSenseOfVoid

Rankings for me:

TGW

The rest of the Manics discography

IKTZ

I'm sorry. To say TGW > HB and EMG is insane

[FacelessSenseOfVoid]

Originally Posted by Donkey

I'm sorry. To say TGW > HB and EMG is insane

You're insane, more like

[Mr Richey]

Originally Posted by NasalScarecrow

Just to make you posters sigh and think again, where in these rankings do The Great Western and I Killed the Zeitgeist come?

Nowhere; they are not Manics albums so they have no place in a list of Manics albums.

[EmptySoul]

JFPL
HB
EMG
RTF
TIMT
PFAYM
KYE
LB
GATS
GT
SATT

Never really understood the dislike for PFAYM

[handsome_devil]

Too early to tell for me but I'd say it's definitely top ten

[lukkkas]

It's weird how everybody in this forum tend to hate Generation Terrorists! I think it's a perfect album! In my opinion, one of the best debut albums in rock history.
Glam and Punk are major influences to me, perhaps for that is that i love GT. But i think is a SUPERB record and one of the best of the MSP.
Let's say...the best guitar work (talking about solos) of JDB is there. The lyrics are great, The songs are classics (cmon, you have you love us, stay beautiful, Little baby nothing, motorcycle emptiness, love's sweet exile, etc). The record has fury and sounds killer...i dont understand how some people could put GT under SATT, KYE or PFAYM.
Well, just saying....

[mar]

Agree with you lukkkas.

[Mr Richey]

It's far too early for me to decide where RTF sits in the list, I need more time to get to know this album. Maybe go out for a meal together, catch a movie, drinks & dancing...

[The Gutless Wonder]

When I've heard it in it's entireity I shall let you know!

[The Quatercircle]

THB
KYE
EMG
JFPL
GATS
TIMTTMY
LB
RTF
GT
SAT
PFAYM

[lukkkas]

and talking about TGW and WHTZ ithink TGW is amongst the better MSP allbums and about the zeitgeist i think its a great effort and have some powerfull lyrics but i can´t digest an album entirely sung by Nicky...love him though