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On the "pointless jobs, pointless lives" question, a lot of you have put forward very plausible ideas that I hadn't considered. In the context of the whole album, I heard it as an expression of some kind of crisis in the idea of mechanical socialism: I remember Orwell being quite sceptical of the dream of spending a few hours in a mindless mechanical job (I think his verson was 'pressing my button at the ketchup factory') and then having hours to engage in self-defining/fulfilling activities in your leisure time. Perhaps, it turns out, such jobs are so poorly paid that very long hours become a necessity, and the process repeats itself so that class distinctions remain embedded. Isn't there a programme about the persistance of the class system on tonight? Anyway, it was just a thought. |
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Lol, let's all man up! Richey used to call us fans maggots and no one bitched.
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Contrast this pathetic pseudo-political line with some of their earlier Marxist influenced situationist style rants/rhetoric/slogans and it pales in comparison. Wire hasn't written a good political line since last time an American president was impeached. |
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I don't mind the "freaks" line in Underdogs - I tend to interpret it more about how others percieve the Manics and the fanbase, rather than how Nicky percieves us or we percieve ourselves. It's probably less offensive than "don't fall in love coz we hate you still" if you think about it. It's also similar to Suede's Trash in a way - songs about being part of somethng that others may find odd.
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The phrasing of the line "cowering behind divided curtains" in Nixon. James sounds like he's forgotten the words and remembered them at the last minute. They should have changed it to something that fits.
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The first verse of Underdogs doesn't sit well with me.
"This one's for the freaks For you're so beautiful For all the devotion Written in your soul" Freaks, fair enough. Beautiful, fair enough to most of you but not to me. Devotion? This band has cost me things like passport, nice clothes, other gigs, actual holidays to places that aren't Blackburn.. Course, I love it but damn, it's horrible when I think of what I could've done with all that money instead... |
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"Worms in the garden more real than a McDonalds"
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"We follow a Shining Path / That you will never destroy"
For a student of politics he really should know better. |
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'This reason for this song, well I haven't really thought of one.'
Well don't bother writing it then! |
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'Tiny massive hands'
A line that still prevents me being able to listen to Fragments.
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esp. as a student of politics he's right....totally agree with that one! AND you always have to have in mind that 'we' is not the same thing as 'we - including the people who think about development in society'....sounds more like a warning not to do that! didn' t so many people follow a 'shining' path like sheeps without thinking about consequenses?
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