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Are You A Richey James Romantic Or A Nicky Wire Socialist?
An article about Nicky and Richey you may wanna read and give opinions on.
http://www.misformusic.com/2010/08/a...ire-socialist/ |
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To be honest, I've never heard of anyone loving the Nicky stuff and hating the Richey stuff.
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I don't know what this person is basing his/her argument on.
If it's his/her opinion, fair enough, but I don't think it involves all Manics fans. |
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So it's not exactly hate but still... Regarding the article itself, this paragraph hit me in the eye: Quote:
But y'know, at the end of the day the article is the opinion of a singular person and this is mine.
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Im an unconditional manic fan but I think the richye lyrics are very superior than all that nicky can make
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I just think that James generally writes his best music when he's working with either Richey's lyrics or an Edwards/Wire lyric. Obviously there are exceptions to this (Design For Life, Roses In The Hospital, Tsunami etc), but it seems to me that Richey's dense and complicated writing style brings out a quality in the music that Nicky's lyrics just don't. I personally thought that 'Journal For Plague Lovers' was the best thing they'd done musically since 'Everything Must Go' and that that music could never have been made with 13 Wire lyrics.
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Masses Against The Classes was radio friendly?
it's an interesting article, and i get the perspective it comes from. there were no doubt die hard fans who balked at what happened to the band after Richey went missing and an apparent "change of direction" came in. Bowie springs to mind - after the 70s triumphs and the devastating Cat People soundtrack, many Bowiephiles were horrified when he decided he wanted to be a really, really big pop star with Let's Dance. i would suggest, though, that this mysterious faction of hardcore Manics loyalists didn't balk at EMG; surely if they were that hardcore it would have been around GATS they bailed - wasn't the intention of the band to do one album and split? qualified with "in my opinion", i think the continued success of the Manics has been the fact that they have been blessed with two amazing lyric writers. i wouldn't say one is better than the other, and i am sure all would agree both have written some terrible things. they have a different approach and yet not all that radically different a vision. Nicky could not write something like Faster just as Richey probably couldn't have delivered something like If You Tolerate This. it doesn't stop either being amongst the greatest songs of the band, and doesn't reflect badly on the other. this could well turn out to be all academic. when the follow up to PFAYM comes out, featuring the credit "all lyrics by Sean Moore", fans will scratch their heads wondering why they ever bothered tolerating Richey or Nickys comparatively weaker lyrics in the first place.
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1. haha Masses radio friendly?
2. Nicky wrote whole Ifwhiteamerica? I have read that he brought the title, I mean put the words together but I've never heard it's his. 3. HE MADE A MISTAKE IN AUTUMNSONG LYRICS!!!!! 'the best times are yet to come' 4. From Despair To Where - he mistakenly writes James instead of Richey, which might suggest that James is JDB not RJE 5. Ford Mondeo is disguisting.
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Well remember how the common anecdote is that Richey wrote "75%" of THB lyrics?
Yesterday and White America are confirmed mainly-Nicky songs, and just like most of the band's lyrics pre-THB he probably had a dabble here and there with the other lyrics.
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JFPL (especially the deluxe booklet) showed well how great Richey's lyrics were. He made it look so easy to write a song...
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in defence of Wire, didn't he say in one of the JFPL interviews that he just "can't inspire the great music from James that Richey does/did"?
i am not one of these rampant Wire apologists that populate the forum, but to give the lad credit where it's due, he seems all too aware of his own limitations.
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I like both.
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Anyways I'd say I'm a fan of both. |
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otherwise, fair point - i imagine the majority in some way like both, hence us all being here.
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