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I still say its their second best album after The Holy Bible.
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The way I look at it is that ADFL was a stronger single than Tolerate but Tolerate got to No.1, just not off its own back - unlike ADFL - instead off their popularity. Had they released Why So Sad or Found That Soul at that time, they would have reached No.1 also, but by then their popularity had waned, because of Truth. I think we all know it as objective fact that ADFL was their big hit in terms of popularity. Not because it is written as fact anywhere but because we just all know it. Not knocking anyone who loves the album but it's surely clear they shed loads of fans with it. |
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Am I only who listens to Tolerate and wonders the hell it got to number 1? It doesn't feel like it has has hit single written all over it.
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If they were losing fans after the truth album how did masses get to number 1? It was KYE that lost them fans not Truth.
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KYE put me on a Manics hiatus for years, totally agree with you.
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It's possibly my favourite song of all time. Not favourite Manics song, favourite song, full stop.
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I love them both, although I prefer KYE personally.
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I'd go further back than that and say ADFL. When Cameron came into power in 2010 and immediately started saying that libraries should close because we couldn't afford them and had ministers proposing paying benefits via a card that couldn't be used to buy tobacco or alcohol, because the poor were only poor because of bad lifestyle choices, when the whole austerity thing kicked in, for some, not them, though we were all in it together somehow, that single should have been rereleased back then. Regarding Truth, I always see it as the sister album to THB, Richey screaming this is how it is and I can't cope on the first and Nicky sighing this is how it is and you just have to find a way to deal with it on the other.
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The lead singles from KYE and LB did nothing to help how people perceived them after their late 90s output. Those singles and the albums (mainly KYE) certainly divided a lot of people who got into them from EMG / TIMT. I always remember the first time that Nixon was played on the Jo Whiley show. It was on Radio 1 in 2004 and someone sent in a message saying that it sounded like something by the Pet Shop Boys haha. I must admit, I didn't know what to think the first time I heard SWSS. It still baffles me to this day!
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Found That Soul is a much better song but no more No.1s once the dust had settled on the Truth. Even though KYE hadn't yet come out when those 2 singles were in the charts. Had Truth been really popular KYE and its first singles would have sold Be Here Now style, even if it wasn't what people wanted in retrospect. Of course the critics don't figure things out in retrospect either, so KYE still got relatively kind reviews. Later on they figured out the error of judgement and that the fans had already moved on, and so they reserved their venom for Lifeblood. And anything that comes after that story has been told is purely incidental. |
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I reckon if they had released one single in a double CD set instead of two then they might have had another number 1 in 2001, based on anticipation for their comeback and new music.
Had they been able to double-format FTS and SYSS with two CDs each containing new b-sides (not remixes), then we'd have been looking at number 1 and 2, definitely. |
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Not sure what you mean by 'anything that comes after that story has been told is purely incidental' - if you mean the band were not relevant after that you must have forgotten how big a hit Send Away The Tigers was off the back of 'Your Love Alone' and that the band were awarded the Godlike Genius Award in 2008. |
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I can't remember much about the live reviews but I thought the KYE ones mixed. I was simply arguing that Truth was the start of the decline rather than the pinnacle of their success - plus that paying too much attention to critics can cause us to miss what is actually happening with the fanbase, as the critics (music mags themselves struggling to cling to a sense of relevance) follow the fanbase, not vice versa. Quote:
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