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It's 2:28am and I can't sleep, so I thought I'd share my memories.

I was part of the big war between SB and FD. I think that was the first time when the internet became deeply personal for me. With hindsight, FD was more bitchy towards SB, while SB folks were openly trying to hurt and humiliate FD posters that they disliked. It was never a total war, so people did post on both forums, but there was a core of posters on both forums that really, really disliked each other and were responsible for a lot of trouble.

Now it seems silly and childish, but at the time, I remember we were doing everything in our power to kill FD as a forum. People would be insulted and mocked in a vicious way if they posted anything personal on FD, and there were plenty of underhanded moves such as sending death threats. It was still a time when the police didn't take the internet seriously, so you could openly ridicule someone for having a miscarriage and cause them even more distress without fear of the consequences.

Now I think about it, I was an absolute dick.
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Old 09-09-2017, 14:49
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I have some fun memories of interacting on forums way back when - although god knows exactly who or what happened in there. I distinctly remember meetups happening via this site from around 2000 onwards that I always enjoyed. Especially the FD band night that me and my mates played at. All good fun!

I think the first ever fansite I came across was This is Yesterday, the one that did the bootlegs. That site opened up a new way of learning about the past of the band through gig recordings that weren't really available anywhere else at the time. Every time I heard about an amazing gig they'd done, I'd save up some money to buy it, turn my speakers up and just pretend I was there there. It seems crazy now, but the memories of 1994 were lost on fuzzy VHS recordings from the balcony and on dodgy cassettes by 1997. So TIY got me the closest I could realistically get to the recent history of MSP, and helped me fill in the blanks about how the band got to the height of their powers. I'm fairly sure I sent off a cheque to get my first CD's which shows you how long ago it was.

Funnily enough, I was chatting about old websites and forums (in general) the other day. As some have noted they can be a place for anonymous bitchiness and negativity. But in many ways they are the best of the internet. Now before that makes me sound all soggy eyed and nostalgic, I'm really not. I'm all for progress in tech where it genuinely helps people connect and learn. But the internet is now all about vast networks and buying and selling data. That means shock, ridicule, clickbait (and lets be honest, stupid gifs of cats and other assorted beasts.) The web gives us more of what we like - which pushes people further into their echo chambers (especially on Twitter.) For the record, I do like Twitter - but it does feel like the internet version of Geocaching, where you put stuff online hoping that someone, somewhere picks it up.

The more that happens, the more these forums become a respite from the bottomless bowl of the social web. There's just a balance in a forum that you don't get anywhere else. You can pull up a chair and a brew for a bit and just have a little peruse of others points of view of the important issues of the day (such as the Lifeblood tracklisting ) Naturally, they are places run by fans for fans. Literally, if fans didn't stump up for server costs, they wouldn't exist. While there are exceptions, generally the discussion is of a much higher quality than you'd find anywhere else, since it's almost akin to arguing with someone you half know. Maybe that's also partly because the moderators are people you could end up actually having a pint with, so people don't tit about as much. For that reason I still come back here regularly even though I've long stopped following the Manics as I did back in the day. I'll stop now before I start going all "MAKE FORUMS GREAT AGAIN" on you all!
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Old 02-11-2017, 19:31
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Old 02-11-2017, 22:35
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Who remembers Nigel from SB?
I wonder what he is up to now.....I remember his back story was that he was trying to troll christians when he put 'Holy Bible' into his search engine and decided Manics fans were much better to get a rise out of......in some ways you have to appreciate the absurdity of the whole thing!
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I wonder what he is up to now.....I remember his back story was that he was trying to troll christians when he put 'Holy Bible' into his search engine and decided Manics fans were much better to get a rise out of......in some ways you have to appreciate the absurdity of the whole thing!
If you're talking about the Nigel as I think you are then he can still be found on thisisyesterday.com, albeit under a different username.
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Really - that's a little sad.....did he never get bored of it?
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I have some fun memories of interacting on forums way back when - although god knows exactly who or what happened in there. I distinctly remember meetups happening via this site from around 2000 onwards that I always enjoyed.
That's the bit I enjoyed, I have a feeling I might have met you but I'm sorry I don't remember your name. I went to a meet up in Birmingham and in London. You're not called Ben are you?

All good fun anyhow. I also remember meeting people separately off here too, there was one guy from Wakefield, Manics4Real I think, Steve who played in a band. I met him in Leeds once and we just ended up walking around for ages talking about music non-stop not really the Manics.
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Old 05-11-2017, 18:55
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That's the bit I enjoyed, I have a feeling I might have met you but I'm sorry I don't remember your name. I went to a meet up in Birmingham and in London. You're not called Ben are you?

All good fun anyhow. I also remember meeting people separately off here too, there was one guy from Wakefield, Manics4Real I think, Steve who played in a band. I met him in Leeds once and we just ended up walking around for ages talking about music non-stop not really the Manics.
Hmmm. This is a long shot, but I think we met...... maybe.... at a Seafood gig in Liverpool by accident?! Although I can't say that with any certainty given that it was in 2005-ish and I met a fair few people off here... The story went that I got chatting to a couple as my mate had bailed on me, and it turned out the people I were chatting to were from FD! Either that or we met at some other bash, but I'm sure we did at some point.

Steve was always good for a chat. I used to have him on MSN, which just carbon dated me back to 1998 We used to while away hours talking about ace music and our own tunes that we were making. Top guy, and never actually properly met! I also met bachelorette at a Kent gig in Sweden back in 2014 which was also pretty sweet and just about the last time I did that sort of thing!
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Staybeautiful and the alt.music.manics newsgroup - now there's a reference the kids won't get!
I was on a.m.m. too! Remember being psyched to get my misheard lyric into the misheard lyrics file! I think I took over faq posting towards the end. Occasionally think fondly of Aunty Carla and Tnt. Lurked on SB but found it a bit of a clique, gravitated here. I have tnt's archive disc somewhere.
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How do you feel the Fanbase evolved due to websites.
Manics used to have a tag of nutters, butcI've found fan groups for stuff like Rick & Morty Fanbase.
Nowadays the kids claim to never heard of the Manics or their Dad's like them.
Our lives would be different if we had the album's but didn't have the websites.
Well sort of different.
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Old 09-11-2017, 22:41
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How do you feel the Fanbase evolved due to websites.
Manics used to have a tag of nutters, butcI've found fan groups for stuff like Rick & Morty Fanbase.
Nowadays the kids claim to never heard of the Manics or their Dad's like them.
Our lives would be different if we had the album's but didn't have the websites.
Well sort of different.
I miss the days of NME, Melody Maker...Smash Hits as the main news source though Not the same all the click of a button. And the fanzines with their tag of nutters....the band were never hugely known not before A Design for Life then of course the cliqueyness ended as they'd sold out man....ha...in the eyes of the tag of nutters, not mine, I am completely normal. Of course

Maybe the web makes them or any band less exclusive? You had to seek out fans in the past through zines or penpal pages and at gigs yes some notorious ones became known....a lot of work went into some of the zines though.....on sites people dip in and out....
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I think social media atomises our culture into half-sentence posturing.

Things like FD and other fora at least give some semblance of community, subculture and deeper thought.
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Nowadays the kids claim to never heard of the Manics or their Dad's like them.
To be fair, that's probably true. Anything from the 90's/Britpop era is now firmly "classic rock" and the even the youngest fans from that time will be pushing into their late 30's/early 40's now. I guess that's no different to me shrugging my shoulders about some of the bands from the 70's that I'd never heard of that my old man told me about.

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Maybe the web makes them or any band less exclusive? You had to seek out fans in the past through zines or penpal pages and at gigs yes some notorious ones became known....a lot of work went into some of the zines though.....on sites people dip in and out....
I think it's just different. On the one hand yes, there was a level of effort and exclusivity in finding a band. But that still happens now. If anything the scenes are just more fragmented and tribal because the web feeds modern fans more of what they already like.

In terms of fanzines, like so many things it was about doing what was cheap and accessible at the time. So these days you could do a podcast rather than a fanzine, and you'd still be creating a labour of love.

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Definitely an argument to be had here, though probably for a whole other thread!
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To be fair, that's probably true. Anything from the 90's/Britpop era is now firmly "classic rock" and the even the youngest fans from that time will be pushing into their late 30's/early 40's now. I guess that's no different to me shrugging my shoulders about some of the bands from the 70's that I'd never heard of that my old man told me about..
Just shut up! Naturally I mean that with respect And yes I was one of the youngest fans....you nearly win a reprieve there fan would be pushing it cos I didn't like much of it but...But no stop right there....the 90s classic rock - no! No. Deep Purple - classic rock, bloody Whitesnake - classic rock (though I don't mind that Is This Love...I'll admit to that) but y'know - dad's best driving tunes - classic rock. (though my dad prefers Beethoven) Early Aerosmith. I said early! Ha. (although I do like a lot of Aerosmith too...but I always did I hasten to add) You sure know how to depress a person who lived through the nineties.
Have you thought this through though? Does this make 'our' or 'my'(?) Liam Gallagher today's Keith Richards?....OK I haven't thought that through but ... not all the Britpop era should be preserved.....Menswear? Remember them? Subjective I know. Elastica got on my nerves so what do I know



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I think it's just different. On the one hand yes, there was a level of effort and exclusivity in finding a band. But that still happens now. If anything the scenes are just more fragmented and tribal because the web feeds modern fans more of what they already like.

In terms of fanzines, like so many things it was about doing what was cheap and accessible at the time. So these days you could do a podcast rather than a fanzine, and you'd still be creating a labour of love.
Oh sure every generation finds ways to express themselves through music and everyone seeks exclusivity, the exclusive few who 'understand'.....we all do that, we all need that...to belong....
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