Manics nominated for Welsh Music Prize - Page 2 - Forever Delayed

Bambi · #16 03-09-2011, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Takk

Yeah, but they don't sing about wales, they don't have welsh themes, they don't sing in welsh..was more my point. Pick up an album and you wouldn't know it was from a welsh band.

I think you're coming at this from the wrong angle Tim. It's not about how 'Welsh' the music is. The candidates simply have to be Welsh. That's it.

The Gutless Wonder · #17 03-09-2011, 20:17

The Manics sing about Wales in Ready For Drowning anyway.

Littlesue · #18 03-09-2011, 20:18

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Originally Posted by The Gutless Wonder

The Manics sing about Wales in Ready For Drowning anyway.

Do they? thats the first I've known about that, anyone just listening to it would'nt know though

hummingbird · #19 03-09-2011, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Littlesue

Do they? thats the first I've known about that, anyone just listening to it would'nt know though

ready for drowning is about that welsh town or village that was flooded to build a reservoir wasn't it?

Takk · #20 03-09-2011, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Bambi

I think you're coming at this from the wrong angle Tim. It's not about how 'Welsh' the music is. The candidates simply have to be Welsh. That's it.

No, I realise that, it's more of a tangent....I just think because welsh culture, and language and art is kinda caught up in what it means to be welsh as I see it, surely bands which sing in welsh, or are more 'welsh' than the manics are more deserving of a welsh prize...if that makes sense.

Takk · #21 03-09-2011, 20:34

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Originally Posted by The Gutless Wonder

The Manics sing about Wales in Ready For Drowning anyway.

and cardiff afterlife, but even so.

The Gutless Wonder · #22 03-09-2011, 20:39

They are Welsh and it's a Welsh music award. Doesn't say that they have to sing in Welsh. They're still part of Welsh culture.

franny · #23 03-09-2011, 22:21

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Originally Posted by The Gutless Wonder

It's from a Welsh perspective. The Big Roar doesn't have anything particularly 'Welsh' about it in terms of themes etc either!

Though the bonus disc did have Chwyrlio, which was in Welsh!

*nerd

CardiffAfterlife · #24 04-09-2011, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Takk

Yeah, but they don't sing about wales, they don't have welsh themes, they don't sing in welsh..was more my point. Pick up an album and you wouldn't know it was from a welsh band.

Depends on the album really, if you were a bit savvy and noticed the R.S. Thomas quote on 'This is My Truth Tell Me Yours,' coupled with the fact that the title is a quote from Nye Bevan you might strongly suspect that the Manic's were a Welsh band. And in a subtle way they do sing about Wales in the sense that a lot of their songs are reflections on being brought up in a Welsh town with a distinctly Welsh set of values/political beliefs etc. But in general, I take your point

CardiffAfterlife · #25 04-09-2011, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Takk

No, I realise that, it's more of a tangent....I just think because welsh culture, and language and art is kinda caught up in what it means to be welsh as I see it, surely bands which sing in welsh, or are more 'welsh' than the manics are more deserving of a welsh prize...if that makes sense.

Once again I see your point, but in terms of Welsh culture, the Manic's have arguably had a far larger impact than any of the bands nominated. As a Welsh speaker I'm glad there are Welsh language bands on the list but those bands will always have a limited appeal. Anyway, these days there are a multiplicity of Welsh identities and I'm not sure its fair to say the rural Welsh speaking identity is 'more Welsh' than the Manic's own Valley Welsh identity (if that makes sense.)

Takk · #26 04-09-2011, 00:14

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Originally Posted by CardiffAfterlife

Depends on the album really, if you were a bit savvy and noticed the R.S. Thomas quote on 'This is My Truth Tell Me Yours,' coupled with the fact that the title is a quote from Nye Bevan you might strongly suspect that the Manic's were a Welsh band. And in a subtle way they do sing about Wales in the sense that a lot of their songs are reflections on being brought up in a Welsh town with a distinctly Welsh set of values/political beliefs etc. But in general, I take your point

True...it seems to me at least, though, that they didn't really embrace being welsh until the later half of the 90s...

The Gutless Wonder · #27 04-09-2011, 08:23

But that was just the common thing amongst youths to want to get aware from your 'insular town/village' whatever. The wanting to return to Wales (In James' case at least! Nicky never left and Seans not too far away!) is a sort of Welsh thing, no?

hummingbird · #28 04-09-2011, 10:05

yea aside from Richey's quote that if there was a museum in Blackwood it would be full of rubble and shit, James has said that the reason they wanted to get away was because they had no support from the welsh music scene. That might have been cos they were slagging all the bands off tho'

Lone Architect · #29 04-09-2011, 18:52

If we're debating Welshness then don't forget that the Mercury (for British and Irish acts) once went to Antony And The Johnsons.

michael · #30 04-09-2011, 20:06

Some good albums on there. Love the Y Niwl, Sweet Baboo and Gruff Rhys albums.