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@Phil C...why would I take offense? Couldn't care less, TBH. I've never heard Wire claim ownership for anything on that track other then providing the title. Fair enough if you've seen a quote from him stating otherwise, I personally have not which explains my response.
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I think Nicky is one of the Romantics at heart along with Richey. Romanticism challenged and questioned the norms questioned the domination of church and king; questioned the idea that we as a species were somehow above nature and that nature was there merely to be exploited for profit. Richey's influences seemed to lie more heavily with existentialism....Nietzche, Kieerkegaard, Camus. For the Romantics the individual and their choices were important but they saw the individual as part of the bigger picture, part of nature as a whole....existentialism seems a bleaker view of the individual, the inevitability of the suffering and the absurdity in our attempt to give life meaning. Nicky's quoted from the same writers but his views possibly tend to the Romantic - less nihilistic.......? "Where there's nature, or where there is breathing, there are true moments of joy. You've just got to recognise them. And not take them for granted. And that's what I try to do, have moments of elation in life, however small, five minutes a day, and be able to think "Yeah, that'll do. That'll do me, now"." (Nicky, wireless philosopher) Still writers like Camus (not that bleak) & Sartre were writing after the wars and man's inhumanity to man seemed to have no constraints I like pre and post Richey Perrin years incidentally And the romantics Byron, Shelley, Blake over the Nietzche and Kierkegaard ....but i do like Camus a lot too....incidentally, more than Sartre N Oasis to Blur
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"Richey Perrin"
Amazing.
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Hi, there. Thanks for the feedback. I like that most of the users on this forum actually argue back intelligently rather than simply posting posts along the line of 'fuck off' or 'what's your obsession with semi colons?' - I feel I'm getting educated when reading posts here. Unusual for an internet forum, or the internet in general! Okay firstly I did overstate the gap for effect, but certainly the gap does exist. (remember I only just joined this forum, so wasn't that familiar with the online Manic fanbase at the time - and I do have some friends who are very vocal against the Manics'output post Richey.) Secondly - I really love the way Richey often inhabited his songs with narrators. I know some people these days are very negative about Richey, especially the '4 Reel' side of him, but there is no denying he was one of the great poets of modern times. And the NME would have us believe that bloody Pete Doherty is a modern day poet! Thirdly I really need to listen to some of these Nicky Wire songs again that you have drawn parallels to with Richey's work. Though SATT, and PFAYM suggests that Wire has began to distance himself again from Richey - I can't see anything of those two albums which is comparable to Richey. Finally regarding 'Bodybags' - I don't see it as a class anthem like 'Masses', instead its an attack on Bush and Blair, and their horribly misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the cost to the young men serving in our armed forces. It doesn't how wealthy you are, anyone can be appalled by American/ British foreign policy of the 00s, so no I don't see my point as a contradiction. |
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On 'Postcards', I'd say 'Auto-Intoxication' has some Richey influence. Richey was massively influenced by JG Ballard and of course 'Billion Balconies' is based around Ballardian ideas. Richey never owned a computer - we have no idea how he'd have reacted to the internet - but Ballard's ideas of everyone being their own film star is a topic it would have been no surprise if he'd gotten to eventually. And Richey was critical of corporate culture and everything being a product - 'Don't be evil / Just be corporate' has a delightedly sarcastic Richey edge. Quote:
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^ Intriguing points from Phil C. Will bear those in mind.
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Richey without a doubt. But I do think that had a lot of similiar beliefs, politics, romance etc
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