View Full Version : Liverpool - capital of culture
Narcolept
16-06-2003, 21:46
what do you people think of this?
I think it's great for the North West. Liverpool is a completely different city now to the one I worked in during the early 90's, and studied at in the 80's. It has pride and culture sweating out of it's ancient pores.
As I only live forty minutes away, I rarely visit :) but when I was there in November I was very impressed.
I was in Glasgow for a week when it was European City of Culture, and it was fantastic, a real vibe going on.
relic
Lover of Outrage
17-06-2003, 09:32
Sitting back waiting to see if all the schemes that were put in motion in Cardiff still go ahead.
swelegant
17-06-2003, 10:09
Originally posted by Narcolept
what do you people think of this?
Well i don't know, fly me to Liverpool and i'll tell you ;) :)
Narcolept
17-06-2003, 11:12
thought I was coming to Oz first? ;)
I personally dont think liverpool deserve it, and I live there. I dont know who voted for it or decided it or whatever, but if they had ever met many of the people that live here, they would find perhaps the most primitive, uncultured bunch of fuckheads they had ever met. yeah we have sport, we have music and we have the whole history of the place but liverpools subburbs are in the worst state they have ever been
I reckon manchester deserved it more tbh
swelegant
17-06-2003, 11:32
So come to Perth already! You can come to the film fest with me and my friends :)
Narcolept
17-06-2003, 11:42
ok fine ill come, you twisted my arm
swelegant
17-06-2003, 11:45
don't sound too excited or anything
:D :D
I've not been to liverpool, so i can't really comment. But i'm sure there must be more deserving cities, to be honest.
It's a great chance for the city. Last year one of the capitals of culture was Salamanca, where my sister lives and I went to Uni. There was a lot of activities (e.g. exhibiton of Rodin sculptures, two Radiohead gigs.....), and also a lot of new buildings for cultural purposes. It was successful, I think, and the town improved. After 2002, they created a foundation, that still organizes activities in Salamanca.
http://www.salamancaciudaddecultura.org/ (in Spanish).
nephthys
17-06-2003, 16:12
mehhh... Newcastle should have won it.
And i am in no way biased at all. Tis the truth.
manic cow
17-06-2003, 20:11
Originally posted by Narcolept
what do you people think of this?
I think Birmingham should have got it. I know I'm most probably very biased, but it pisses me off how birmingham is constantly overlooked in favour of cities with less going for them!
Saying that, I've never been to liverpool. But if you live there and think it's shite, then that's not exactly convinced me to go and check it out. I'll only bother going there if the manics do a gig there (that's the only way I see most places, actually ;) )
Amanda Graceywire
17-06-2003, 20:30
Berni, did you see the Birmingham: It's Not Shit (http://www.jonbounds.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jon/brum/brum.html) campaign? (By the way, I actually love Birmingham myself...)
manic cow
17-06-2003, 20:50
I hadn't seen that site actually...
"It's not Brummie Baywatch, but it is a bloke in a fountain up town". Worrying! And the dancing rotunda is strange :p I wouldn't go as far as getting birmingham posters/stickers/desktop wallpapers though! I might be proud of being a brummie, but um... taking it that far is a bit sad I think! ;)
Amanda Graceywire
17-06-2003, 21:15
That's those b3tans for ya ;)
Liverpool's very good if you go to the right areas, just stay roughly in the City Centre and you'll get all the culture we have to offer...;)
I'm glad we got it though, purely for the investment and the fact that hopefully now this will get us a rather nice Arena built...at long last...Although other cities had their merits too to be fair..
I think a few backhanders went on...Birmingham blatently deserved the award :)
Son of Stopped
26-06-2008, 12:35
So how are you feeling about it halfway through the year?
A lot of local groups and Meetings I know are experiencing low turnouts as everyone else is seeing the shows and events put on for '08. Ironic really.
Couldn't tell you about the outskirts, but the city centre will never be the same again.
Not having a Matthew Street Festival this year is a kick in the face.
Even if the celebratory events have been a dud the regeneration of the city centre has been a success. When I began university there in 2003 most of the city centre was just bombed out warehouses and abandoned houses not touched since the war, especially by Parr Street and that area and it just looked a mess. When I went back for the Paul McCartney concert last month, while it still looked like a bit of a building site it was unrecognisable to when I left in in 2006. Where as most cities the title would have just been some decorative tag it actually meant something for Liverpool.
lovesean4ever
26-06-2008, 13:05
Newcastle shudder got it hands down
I pretty much think that Liverpool deserves it a lot, as Relic and James said earlier on it has improved fooking five thousand hand folds from previous years, and in the city centre and the busier places it generally is getting improved and developed constantly. As a lad who goes spends a lto of time there it does mean a lot to me that for some reason! That and there's been a lot more praise for theatre and music and such since Capital of Culture thing was announced. Most importantly I think that people from Liverpool are the friendliest bunch out of any city I've been to in Britain (I'm sorry, but London I never wish to visit longterm again, unhelpful wankers the majority seemed!) with Manchester coming a close second.
But I think an old member said previously that there is still a lack of development of the suburbs and of homelessness that you just wish would be invested in instead of another regeneration of an already decent building. Plus the litter, oh the litter!
I wont slag off Liverpool most of the time now as it's a fine city, with 90% friendly people and people seem to have pride and a passion which I can't say for a lot of other places. It's got a lot of the problems other cities have too, but I think overall it just has a lot more positives than negatives. It feels strange feeling proud of it for some reason but bah, it really is a nice place and if you haven't been, fooking go!
So how are you feeling about it halfway through the year?
A lot of local groups and Meetings I know are experiencing low turnouts as everyone else is seeing the shows and events put on for '08. Ironic really.
Couldn't tell you about the outskirts, but the city centre will never be the same again.
Not having a Matthew Street Festival this year is a kick in the face.
Ah yeah, I go to a few theatre group meetings in Liverpool, and they are saying the same things for turnouts outside of the Everyman and such, but I think in the long run it may benefit smaller and independent business when the larger shows die down. Those people who enjoyed the theatre there may go and seek out the smaller venues and get a nice experience and return etc. I admit I'm looking through a little bit of rose tinted goggles on that but I'm hoping...or it could go the other way...
It's been great for the museums too though, the Maritine Museum (I really love that tiny place!) got a decent bit of cash and fixed some stuff up.
And the Matthew Street Festival is going ahead this year isn't it, but getting gigs placed inside due to some petty health and safety shit? I thought it was only last year that got cancelled...
clashboy
26-06-2008, 16:31
My thoughts?
No.
It's best not to listen to me, I'm a regionalistic twat.
Matt_o_Mac
28-06-2008, 14:29
I've not been since about 2004 to Liverpool but it was badly in need of regeneration, the train links improved beyond comparsion around that time and as a City it deserved it.
Compare it to Manchester which let regeneration come at the cost of making it look a mess, it's a sparkle.
Suburbs of Liverpool are bad? so are Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I know all those places and they are all in bad need of regeneration. Manchester to fair is probably the best city for suburbs as most is quite nice.
I was never a big fan of Liverpool as a city, but it's unique due to it's buildings and culture, so yes it deserved it. Manchester didn't need it anyhow and Birmingham reminds me of a million idenkit towns though it's nice and the regeneration looks brilliant it still doesn't shout culture at me.
As for Newcastle i've not been but from what i've seen it reminds me of Birmingham alot, it's got millions of flash buildings but little in the way of old buildings and what attractions does it have? Certaintly not got the standard of places Liverpool has.
So in summing up it deserved it, and i'm glad it's done well for the city, now it needs to express that cash outside the centre.
I've not been since about 2004 to Liverpool but it was badly in need of regeneration, the train links improved beyond comparsion around that time and as a City it deserved it.
Compare it to Manchester which let regeneration come at the cost of making it look a mess, it's a sparkle.
Suburbs of Liverpool are bad? so are Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham. I know all those places and they are all in bad need of regeneration. Manchester to fair is probably the best city for suburbs as most is quite nice.
I was never a big fan of Liverpool as a city, but it's unique due to it's buildings and culture, so yes it deserved it. Manchester didn't need it anyhow and Birmingham reminds me of a million idenkit towns though it's nice and the regeneration looks brilliant it still doesn't shout culture at me.
As for Newcastle i've not been but from what i've seen it reminds me of Birmingham alot, it's got millions of flash buildings but little in the way of old buildings and what attractions does it have? Certaintly not got the standard of places Liverpool has.
So in summing up it deserved it, and i'm glad it's done well for the city, now it needs to express that cash outside the centre.
Spot on in every way *nods*
knives out
28-06-2008, 15:59
I don't think Glasgow's suburbs are anywhere near as bad as Liverpools BUT I like Liverpool. It's a nice city and the people are similarly chatty and fun like Glasgow.
manic cow
28-06-2008, 16:20
It freaks me out when I come to a thread with the intention of posting and find out I already did 5 years ago. :scared: To update, I've been to liverpool since my original post and my opinion is much the same as it was before. And weirdly enough, my reason for going to liverpool was the manics, as I'd predicted.
As for Newcastle i've not been
Obviously from the comments that followed... :lol:
Nothing against Liverpool, but I agree that Newcastle-Gateshead should have won it. But maybe they thought Liverpool needed it more.
*lisa simpson*
28-06-2008, 18:52
i've only been to liverpool twice. once was in about 1995 for a uni interview and i loved it apparently for the reasons a lot of other people here didn't. i liked that you could walk down the street (duke street is the only one i can remember the name of) and there were brand new buildings next to bombed out not been touched since the war buildings. from a historical point of view i thought it was ace. i guess even then i had a historical viewpoint.
i also remember a very sweet guy in a chippie giving me extra chips :)
Matt_o_Mac
28-06-2008, 21:33
Obviously from the comments that followed... :lol:
Nothing against Liverpool, but I agree that Newcastle-Gateshead should have won it. But maybe they thought Liverpool needed it more.
Well come on then, prove that Newcastle is as culuturally built as Liverpool.
Well come on then, prove that Newcastle is as culuturally built as Liverpool.
lol, what a ridiculous question. How could I prove something so subjective to someone who's already made up their mind when the whole city didn't manage it for impartial judges!?
In my opinion, which is biased because I come from the North East and haven't ever visited Liverpool (so I wouldn't presume to make ill-judged comments about it), Newcastle-Gateshead would have been a worthy Capital of Culture because it already has a very strong recent cultural buzz about the place. The immediately obvious things to mention would include the Sage (music centre), the Laing and Baltic art galleries, just this month the newly-restored Tyneside cinema, which houses one of the best remaining (and still working) art-deco news theatres from the 1930s, as well as brand new screens, and runs lots of cultural events all the time. Architecture-wise Newcastle has Grey's street, which has the Theatre Royal, amongst loads of beautiful Georgian buildings (it won a 'best street in Britain' award in 2002). If you want a really old building, the castle that Henry II had built on the site of the original castle from which Newcastle derives its name isn't actually so 'new' anymore... :lol: It's a very compact city, with its two universities across the road from each other at one end, and the impressively commanding football stadium a few minutes walk from the main city centre, it has plenty going on. There's also the much newer stuff on the quayside along with all the bridges too, the Tyne Bridge and the Millennium Bridge (the one that worked!), and I think those two really sum up how the old and the new co-exist so well, for the most part.
I'm not passing any kind of judgement about Liverpool, good luck to them, but I think your comments about Newcastle were just wrong. It isn't 'Get Carter' -land these days, where the ugly obscured the rest. There are plenty of old buildings and without visiting I don't know how you can be so certain there isn't anything of the standard that Liverpool has.
Also, my comment of maybe Liverpool needed it more wasn't a jibe, it was genuine, regeneration was part of the criteria as I understood it... I think Newcastle-Gateshead had and still has a very strong cultural momentum about it, and maybe that was part of the judge's thinking (that maybe Newcastle-Gateshead didn't need the boost).
corky100
29-06-2008, 02:09
Lived in North Liverpool for 5 years before moving over the water, and from that Point of view Liverpool deserves no more than a good kicking. When officials and concils allow the crimes, gangsters and scum that acctually DO rule those streets then they desrve to be penalised to sort it out.
I know good, honest people there who are terrorised, abused and assaulted in their own homs (literally) on a daily basis, with a police force that rarely attends during the same day. Thats through bitter experience and forced us to move for safety (last straw was them kicking the front door in 'for a laugh'. Police came an hour later and moaned because they were in the canteen at the time of our call.....
As for the Centre, its now fast becoming a sparkly attractive and safe (because 80% of its police force patrol those 3 square miles or are hiding at junctions with cameras (visit the place, you'll find out) and I can, despite that recommend you visit, especially the docks areas, and the shopping areas (though watch the scallies in St Johns Precinct (Theres loads of the little shits. Feel free to throw bricks and sharp objects at them for fun).
Just be careful around Everton/Anfield (about 2-3 murders a week and numerous assaults/stabbings - not everything hits the papers) and especially Norris Green/Croxteth. While they can complain that the complete lack of regeneration (or indeed complete absence of money invested whatsoever) is a factor contributing to its violent label, its not an excuse for the huge number of retards masquerading as humans, hidden behind hoods and Northface (if they just robbed someone) jackets that parade themselves around the place and terrorise everyone who is half-decent and above, just because they can, and the council/police don't actually care.
Just do as advised, and stay in the centre. Do that and you'll love the place.
Oh another tip. Don't go to Nightclubs round Victoria Street. You'll just be rubing shoulders with the towns gangsters. Though rub just a tad too much and you'll never leave...
Porco, I agree. The city really does need that attention, and the funding that it could attract. After its complete cut-off from the government of the 80s (and to some extent it is ignored still) it is only now beginning to see the light of what London takes for granted, and cities like Manchester etc have just experienced.
I've not been to liverpool, so i can't really comment. But i'm sure there must be more deserving cities, to be honest.
Isnt this somewhat of a contradiction? .
For what its worth yes, i do think Liverpool deserved it
I was flirting with a pretty scouser girl about a year ago. 5 mins into the conversation I wanted to smash her over the head with a pint glass.
The accent does something to me. Things that are not good.
I was flirting with a pretty scouser girl about a year ago. 5 mins into the conversation I wanted to smash her over the head with a pint glass.
Ay! Calm down!*
(*apologies to all Liverpudlians, I couldn't resist.)
Ey! Calm down lad!*
(*apologies to all Liverpudlians, I couldn't resist.)
Fixed ;)
Son of Stopped
30-06-2008, 22:03
I was flirting with a pretty scouser girl about a year ago. 5 mins into the conversation I wanted to smash her over the head with a pint glass.
Well I can't talk to scouse lasses as a result of me beard and hair, their not into it apart from the arty ones and they've all been taken!
Ay! Calm down!*
(*apologies to all Liverpudlians, I couldn't resist.)
Oh that's so 80's! Just recycle your jokes about Manchester and guns!:p
Well I can't talk to scouse lasses as a result of me beard and hair, their not into it apart from the arty ones and they've all been taken!
Further evidence that scouse women "ain't all that".
Beards are awesome. IIRC, you look like Gordon Freeman and thus have a goatee. Use science fiction trivia and claim that you are an evil twin.
Further evidence that scouse women "ain't all that".
It's not only the voice, 50% have fake tans and looks overly horrible, the other 50% are attracted to absolute bastards.
Son of Stopped
30-06-2008, 22:17
It's not only the voice, 50% have fake tans and looks overly horrible, the other 50% are attracted to absolute bastards.
Here endeth the lesson...
Lone Architect
30-06-2008, 22:23
Further evidence that scouse women "ain't all that".
It's not only the voice, 50% have fake tans and looks overly horrible, the other 50% are attracted to absolute bastards.
God, I quite like you two, but now I have to kill both of you :P Seriously, dissing me's fine, but dissing my parents? Arses will be handed back to you after the appropriate kicking has been applied.
Liverpool deserved it. It did. Regeneration is something which has given Manchester such a boost, and Liverpool deserves the same chance and outcome as its (slightly superior :P) neighbour. If it takes big events like the Commonwealth Games or Capital of Culture to get the eejits in London to stop navel gazing and remember they rule an entire country, not just one bloated capital city, then so be it.
God, I quite like you two, but now I have to kill both of you :P Seriously, dissing me's fine, but dissing my parents? Arses will be handed back to you after the appropriate kicking has been applied.
Hey it's okay, I live across the river in a worse place...I wish I lived in Liverpool to be honest!
I'm not complaining about Liverpool, just the accent :P
Never been there. And I have the "LONDON MUST BE THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE" mentality that has occurred as well.
And if its a fight you want, bring it on. I know how to the do Stone Cold Stunner, so beware! And i'm good at thumb war.
I'm not complaining about Liverpool, just the accent :P
Never been there. And I have the "LONDON MUST BE THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE" mentality that has occurred as well.
And if its a fight you want, bring it on. I know how to the do Stone Cold Stunner, so beware! And i'm good at thumb war.
LA will just push you against the ropes after the initial gut kick/neck hold and deliver the clothesline from Hell...
Anyway.
This is why we are single.
I wish I'd seen more of Liverpool. As it stands, I've only seen Anfield and the inside of Anfield, which weren't really inspiring places. :p
This is why we are single.
"Hey there, fancy seeing a tai pei death match from one of my ECW DVDs? I mean the match isn't any good, but I mean glass glue and taped fists!"
"Hey there, fancy seeing a tai pei death match from one of my ECW DVDs? I mean the match isn't any good, but I mean glass glue and taped fists!"
"I own the entire Best of Kenta Kobashi DVD set. Whats say we go back to my place, sit back, watch a match or 2 over a glass of champagne, and who knows? If you're lucky i'll lay down and let you pin me".
I'm going to wash myself now.
"I own the entire Best of Kenta Kobashi DVD set. Whats say we go back to my place, sit back, watch a match or 2 over a glass of champagne, and who knows? If you're lucky i'll lay down and let you pin me".
I'm going to wash myself now.
"You know Stone Cold is your favourite superstar? He beat his wife in real life...not that I mean anything by that. Stop looking at me like that, I'm not Shawn Staziak."
"(snort) YOUNG WOMAN! IN MY FINAL MEETING WITH THE GODS FROM THE HEAVEN ABOVE, AS THEY SPOKE TO ME AND HIT ME WITH THE POWER OF THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR, THEY TOLD ME 'EXIT STAGE LEFT! EXIT STAGE RIGHT!' THERE IS NO PLACE TO RUN; ALL THE FUSES IN THE EXIT SIGNS HAVE BURNED OUT my place or yours"
"(snort) YOUNG WOMAN! IN MY FINAL MEETING WITH THE GODS FROM THE HEAVEN ABOVE, AS THEY SPOKE TO ME AND HIT ME WITH THE POWER OF THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR, THEY TOLD ME 'EXIT STAGE LEFT! EXIT STAGE RIGHT!' THERE IS NO PLACE TO RUN; ALL THE FUSES IN THE EXIT SIGNS HAVE BURNED OUT my place or yours"
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